U.S Supreme Court Ruling Rescinds Roe v. Wade (6-24-2022)

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It maybe impossible due to the current political climate, but it's still something that we should look into in the future, especially now with the Roe overturn.

Women chooses to have an abortion for multitudes of reasons. A lot of them health related, many of them financially related.

For the health related cases, maybe the hospital can provide a guideline for the doctors so they have a list that they can go over to provide better care for the woman and her pregnancy.

For instance, if a couple has been trying to have a kid for the longest time but the wife keeps suffering from miscarriage due to whatever health reasons, then there should be a guideline that provides for fast track on her procedure so the fetus that no longer has a heartbeat can be safely and quickly removed from the mother.

Right now due to the Roe vs Wade overturn, many abortion clinics are scared of performing such a procedure even if the mother's health depends on it. Many tests are required to determine the exact status of the fetus which unnecessarily prolongs the suffering of the mother and increases the chances of her having septic shock due to having to carry the dead fetus much longer than necessary.

Here's a link to the case I'm referring to: https://people.com/health/beauty-you...n-on-abortion/

As for financial reasons, you live with the decision you make whether you are ok with it later on down the road, or regrets it years later.

Either way it's her body, her life, and ultimately her decision.

I think we are on the same page. I think the best avenue is to reinstate Roe verses Wade rather than try to get agreement on what some think are appropriate new guidelines. There would be no confusion and there wouldn't be circumstances like happened in your link.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

I think we are on the same page. I think the best avenue is to reinstate Roe verses Wade rather than try to get agreement on what some think are appropriate new guidelines. There would be no confusion and there wouldn't be circumstances like happened in your link.

I agree. Getting it back would make all women’s lives much easier in this country.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It maybe impossible due to the current political climate, but it's still something that we should look into in the future, especially now with the Roe overturn.



Women chooses to have an abortion for multitudes of reasons. A lot of them health related, many of them financially related.



For the health related cases, maybe the hospital can provide a guideline for the doctors so they have a list that they can go over to provide better care for the woman and her pregnancy.



For instance, if a couple has been trying to have a kid for the longest time but the wife keeps suffering from miscarriage due to whatever health reasons, then there should be a guideline that provides for fast track on her procedure so the fetus that no longer has a heartbeat can be safely and quickly removed from the mother.



Right now due to the Roe vs Wade overturn, many abortion clinics are scared of performing such a procedure even if the mother's health depends on it. Many tests are required to determine the exact status of the fetus which unnecessarily prolongs the suffering of the mother and increases the chances of her having septic shock due to having to carry the dead fetus much longer than necessary.



Here's a link to the case I'm referring to: https://people.com/health/beauty-you...n-on-abortion/



As for financial reasons, you live with the decision you make whether you are ok with it later on down the road, or regrets it years later.



Either way it's her body, her life, and ultimately her decision.

That is 100% false.

An abortion is the medical procedure to remove a (viable) fetus from the mother.

A fetus that has died in utero is no longer viable and is not subject to any abortion restrictions/regulations anywhere in the United States.

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[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by EODguy

That is 100% false.

An abortion is the medical procedure to remove a (viable) fetus from the mother.

A fetus that has died in utero is no longer viable and is not subject to any abortion restrictions/regulations anywhere in the United States.

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I don't think we are in disagreement. But you start your post with "100% false", that seems to discount everything I said.

Not cool.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. And I don't think what I said is wrong either.

I think instead of putting other people's opinions down, trying to find common ground and try to acknowledge the part that you agree with is a good way to converse.

I rather find something you said that I agree with then finding whatever's wrong with your post and attack.

Isn't that what we need to do as a country as well?

You fought for this country, you should know fighting isn't the answer to everything.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

I don't think we are in disagreement. But you start your post with "100% false", that seems to discount everything I said.

Not cool.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. And I don't think what I said is wrong either...

I understand what you mean, I am for legal abortions for reasons I have outlined in this thread (and some that I haven't).

I think EOD was saying your case-in-point for your position is not valid. Which it isn't. No reason to be sensitive about the way he phrased it.

This is a religious issue that someone is not going to convince pro life supporters to change minds on. Which is fine, but there is no other supporting anti-abortion position to have on it other than the religious aspect, that holds water. Or, at least I haven't heard it yet. Even the conservative position (which I consider myself, middle right to be exact) would be more freedom of choice and autonomy.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I understand what you mean, I am for legal abortions for reasons I have outlined in this thread (and some that I haven't).

I think EOD was saying your case-in-point for your position is not valid. Which it isn't. No reason to be sensitive about the way he phrased it.

This is a religious issue that someone is not going to convince pro life supporters to change minds on. Which is fine, but there is no other supporting anti-abortion position to have on it other than the religious aspect, that holds water. Or, at least I haven't heard it yet. Even the conservative position (which I consider myself, middle right to be exact) would be more freedom of choice and autonomy.

My thinking on the example that I brought up was to highlight how the Roe overturn has made legal removal of dead fetus (NOT abortion) much harder to proceed.

Even in the case of removing dead fetus from the womb, where abortion is no longer the definition and thus exempt from the Roe overturn, women are still made to suffer needlessly due to the fallout.

And yes I agree 100%, we're not talking about abortion in my example.

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