F35 Orders Getting Cancelled Left and Right in Canada, Europe and Nato

[Henn28]

Signal-gate is what happens when you put small people in really big jobs.

Isn’t polstar a spin off from Volvo that the Chinese bought?

I read good things about Rivian and Lucid (?). I also just saw that Mercedes had a new EV sedan that get 475ish on a charge. That’s crazy. I live in hurricane alley though and travel too much to worry about my wife hurrivacing in an electric car.

The Saudis bought some Euro fighters, didnt they? That and the Rafael are two excellent 4th to 4.5 gen fighters our allies can buy to bridge the gap to a more friendly future.

What frustrates me currently is the idea that we the victims somehow in our political, economic and defense relationships with Europe, et al. Since when does the United need to be compensated for supporting allies whose lands and people will be ravaged by any war we have with Russia, or for supporting democracy in places like the Ukraine.

Our grandfathers and their fathers are rolling over. The gop and maga zealots accuse everyone else of hating America. Ironically I feel that it’s the angry, wealthy, white gop politicians that hate the America their forefathers built to keep them at the top of the pile.

[80stech]

I think the Polestar thing is a bit complicated too but yes, Volvo had them and still does the service and maybe even marketing and management ?? and I think most are made in China. I think at least one model is built in the USA though. It does get really good reviews from anyone who has previously owned a Tesla.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by 80stech

Re: the "Signal chat." AFAIK Canada had a very successful sting operation working with the previous administration where we gave access to the info on same type of "encrypted" app that the Cartels, Russian mob and other assorted bad guys were not only using but going way overboard with their boasting thinking that no-one else could see it!

Whatsapp was written by a Ukrainian in the US (banned for use on military devices)

Telegram was written by Russia (banned for use on military devices)

Signal was written by an American developer (most likely an intelligence company OGA) and is allowed on military phones.

So that you understand all government phones are physically and Esim/app locked.

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[Maruzo]

What's the point?

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

What's the point?

The point was that Signal is authorized AND pre-installed on the government phones, so using it was legal. As for what they were discussing it didn't disclose TTPs or other classified information, the problem is not knowing whether one of the participants added the reporter or if it was added to the contact list previously by the COMSEC office. (because they hand the phones out from one person to the next for continuity/security)

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[Henn28]

Originally Posted by EODguy

The point was that Signal is authorized AND pre-installed on the government phones, so using it was legal. As for what they were discussing it didn't disclose TTPs or other classified information, the problem is not knowing whether one of the participants added the reporter or if it was added to the contact list previously by the COMSEC office. (because they hand the phones out from one person to the next for continuity/security)

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I don’t think this is true. Not to get too much into the weeds, but MOU October 06 2023, from the DOD CIO addressed this issue specifically. It listed a host of “unmanaged” apps, and specifically mentioned signal, among others too, that were prohibited from being used on mobile devices for DOD business.

You can read it here, in the DOD library. https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0...MobileApps.pdf

Hope you guys aren’t sharing the state secrets over there on signal. Switch to X as I hear the Doge-bags have authorized that for high-side discussions.

I’ve seen junior officers and enlisted loose thier clearances, or even be separated for supid errors of omission with classified materials. Yet these clowns couldn’t be bothered to use the systems and controls that we taxpayers have spent likely billions putting in place to protect the nations secrets…from idiots like them screwing up. For F sake, almost all of them were likely within 50 yds of a SCIF. One of them, however, was in Russia while chatting about targets, TOTs, push times, etc. The team of Russian spooks assigned to monitor and eavesdrop on his every second probably laughed their asses off.

These clowns should be held accountable, but won’t be because politicians in general, and this administration specifically has an arrogant disregard for this stuff. They make a mockery of a process that everyone else is held very, very accountable to. You or I would be fired, or jailed even. Seriously, I would hope you aren’t using signal or other unapproved apps to handle classified materials and discussions.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by Henn28

I don’t think this is true. Not to get too much into the weeds, but MOU October 06 2023, from the DOD CIO addressed this issue specifically. It listed a host of “unmanaged” apps, and specifically mentioned signal, among others too, that were prohibited from being used on mobile devices for DOD business.



You can read it here, in the DOD library. https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0...MobileApps.pdf



Hope you guys aren’t sharing the state secrets over there on signal. Switch to X as I hear the Doge-bags have authorized that for high-side discussions.



I’ve seen junior officers and enlisted loose thier clearances, or even be separated for supid errors of omission with classified materials. Yet these clowns couldn’t be bothered to use the systems and controls that we taxpayers have spent likely billions putting in place to protect the nations secrets…from idiots like them screwing up. For F sake, almost all of them were likely within 50 yds of a SCIF. One of them, however, was in Russia while chatting about targets, TOTs, push times, etc. The team of Russian spooks assigned to monitor and eavesdrop on his every second probably laughed their asses off.



These clowns should be held accountable, but won’t be because politicians in general, and this administration specifically has an arrogant disregard for this stuff. They make a mockery of a process that everyone else is held very, very accountable to. You or I would be fired, or jailed even. Seriously, I would hope you aren’t using signal or other unapproved apps to handle classified materials and discussions.

See previous post of mine...

Whatsapp was written by a Ukrainian in the US (banned for use on military devices)

Telegram was written by Russia (banned for use on military devices)

Signal was written by an American developer (most likely an intelligence company OGA) and is allowed on military phones.

So that you understand all government phones are physically and Esim/app locked.

Now for you to understand what this means in conjunction with the MOU you linked SIGNAL is a managed APP and as I and others (along with the participants) have said, NO classified details were posted in the chat. SIGNAL is installed on the government provided phones due to it being written in the US by a corporation/OGA. Just because you and anyone can download SIGNAL doesn't mean that it's civilian use only, the US government had a hand in it's construction and DOES have backdoor access although most don't understand that abd that Signal came about "magically" after each of the other APPs that were used but persons of concern found through public news stories that 5 eyes had access...

The reporter claimed many things that were proven false in the congressional hearing that showed the group chat texts didn't contain what he said, i.e. TTPs, etc...

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[Henn28]

Originally Posted by EODguy

See previous post of mine...

Whatsapp was written by a Ukrainian in the US (banned for use on military devices)

Telegram was written by Russia (banned for use on military devices)

Signal was written by an American developer (most likely an intelligence company OGA) and is allowed on military phones.

So that you understand all government phones are physically and Esim/app locked.

Now for you to understand what this means in conjunction with the MOU you linked SIGNAL is a managed APP and as I and others (along with the participants) have said, NO classified details were posted in the chat. SIGNAL is installed on the government provided phones due to it being written in the US by a corporation/OGA. Just because you and anyone can download SIGNAL doesn't mean that it's civilian use only, the US government had a hand in it's construction and DOES have backdoor access although most don't understand that abd that Signal came about "magically" after each of the other APPs that were used but persons of concern found through public news stories that 5 eyes had access...

The reporter claimed many things that were proven false in the congressional hearing that showed the group chat texts didn't contain what he said, i.e. TTPs, etc...

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I’m just a simple farmer, but bullet point 10 of the memo states:

10. Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal).

Reads to me like a directive…don’t use signal as it is unmanaged. In fact, it doesn’t just say don’t use it for classified comms, but rather ANY non public DOD information. Just because we want to give them a pass, doesn’t mean we can or should. This would be career ending for Petty Officer Benotz, but not for any of them?

Regarding the claims that no classified info was transmitted. For every one of the administration clowns that claims that, there are 30 national security experts who claim otherwise. I know for a fact that everything about strike planning, AIR Plans, Air Tasking Orders, basically anything the CAOC puts out, is at least Secret.

Regarding the hearings…it’s ironic that you touch on that subject. Just today the “fake news” is reporting that the CIA’s CIO testified in court (a bit more weighty than in front of a GOP lead subcommittee) that he could not recover anything substantive from Director Radcliffe’s signal chat. So either:
1) they were deleted as part of a coverup
2) signal doesn’t remotely meet the US legal requirement for government communication archiving
3) CIA CIO is perjuring himself in court. Actual perjury, not simple lying to congress which everyone seems to do

Given these clown’s propensity for lawlessness, I’m going with 1 or 2. I doubt any professional civil servant would perjure himself in court to make his political appointee boss look better.

Think they would give us a free pass for a similar security breech? No chance, nor would we deserve it.

[EODguy]

SIGNAL that is placed on our government issued phones is MANAGED and is not open to linking like the Unmanaged SIGNAL APP on the iTunes store. You might have not noticed the part about APPs in the unmanaged partition....

The coms folks are 100% dicks and they are the only ones who can place SIGNAL or any other message service on these phones, I basically had to get a fucking colonoscopy to get Tapatalk put onto the "open" side of my phone and I'm in an RSO position in MENA.

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[80stech]

It obviously doesn't work like that or was the reporter also issued a secure government phone with the managed partition and unlinkable Signal App ??? OR was everybody just using their personal phones (which is what I heard when it first happened)? Layer upon layer of stupidity and arrogance, Hegseth's reply to the reporters when he got off the plane in Hawaii included. Small man, big job, says it perfectly.