More disturbing Obama youth brainwashing

MrLabGuy · #1 10-06-2008, 03:46 PM

The positive message is admirable but the focus on Obama and the drone like pledge is frightening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnmHe62pi8

Wagner · #2 10-06-2008, 03:50 PM

Obama is going down in a ball of flames now...he has proved, proved, he is no different from any other politician. That was his redeeming factor.

JCL · #3 10-06-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Obama is going down in a ball of flames now...he has proved, proved, he is no different from any other politician. That was his redeeming factor.

You mean that he will go down in a ball of flames, or he is currently going down in a ball of flames? Latest poll here shows that the economy is the only issue, and that 68% of the US think he can manage the situation, vs 50% for McCain.

You wishin' and hopin' again?

Agree that the descent into the negative adds could backfire on him, if he can't connect the current situation to the current government.

PS: can't open the link as it is blocked at work, but I can guess the content.

Wagner · #4 10-06-2008, 05:04 PM

Wow, you put faith in polls

You must be from Canada.

JCL · #5 10-06-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Wow, you put faith in polls

You must be from Canada.

No, I was just wondering why you put faith in the opposite of the polling results

So I take it you are reporting a future slip, not a current one.

From Canada, absolutely. You know, that frozen cold socialist place with all the oil and gas that you just proposed a common currency with. You think we want to share your monetary policy? Really?

All in fun.

MiCkEy · #6 10-06-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Wow, you put faith in polls

You must be from Canada.

GWB having the lowest ratings in the polls is a hoax too!

I hate politicians. Wish there was an "open source" solution to all this mess!

Eric5273 · #7 10-06-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Wow, you put faith in polls

You must be from Canada.

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Go back to the primaries and look at the "polls" then tell me how much faith you put in them.

Polls done by professionals such as Gallup or Zogby are mathamatical in nature and have a certain percentage error which are always disclosed with the poll results, usually 2-3%.

When election results fall way outside of the polling results, that is a sign of election fraud.

Do you remember 2-3 years ago the president of Ukraine was accused of stealing the election and election monitors provided evidence that he had stolen the election? That evidence was polling data which did not match the results. And as a result of that polling data, the election results were cancelled.

It's just too bad that nobody monitors our elections here.

CNN: World pressures Ukraine on poll

Wagner · #8 10-06-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Polls done by professionals such as Gallup or Zogby are mathamatical in nature and have a certain percentage error which are always disclosed with the poll results, usually 2-3%.

When election results fall way outside of the polling results, that is a sign of election fraud.

Do you remember 2-3 years ago the president of Ukraine was accused of stealing the election and election monitors provided evidence that he had stolen the election? That evidence was polling data which did not match the results. And as a result of that polling data, the election results were cancelled.

It's just too bad that nobody monitors our elections here.

CNN: World pressures Ukraine on poll

Um, ah, not quite that accurate. Again, go back to the primaries where people were actually making fun of how inaccurate polls were. If the polls were right 10 months ago, Hillary would be running against Rudi right now

Eric5273 · #9 10-06-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Um, ah, not quite that accurate. Again, go back to the primaries where people were actually making fun of how inaccurate polls were. If the polls were right 10 months ago, Hillary would be running against Rudi right now

Polls taken a month before the vote are not that accurate because people can change their minds between now and then. But polls taken a day or two before the vote are very accurate, usually not more than 1-2%, because not that many people change their minds in the last day or two.

And lastly, exit polls have less than 0.1% error since you are not asking people who they are going to vote for, but who they already voted for. Exit polling data is what was used to prove the Ukraine election was fraudulent. If that same logic had been applied to our election in 2004, you would be complaining about President Kerry the last couple of years.

Wagner · #10 10-06-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Polls taken a month before the vote are not that accurate because people can change their minds between now and then. But polls taken a day or two before the vote are very accurate, usually not more than 1-2%, because not that many people change their minds in the last day or two.

And lastly, exit polls have less than 0.1% error since you are not asking people who they are going to vote for, but who they already voted for. Exit polling data is what was used to prove the Ukraine election was fraudulent. If that same logic had been applied to our election in 2004, you would be complaining about President Kerry the last couple of years.

Primary polls were EXIT POLLS, can't get more real time then that. Lets not go back 4 years