Shot over an Obama t-shirt?

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by RastaGurl

I rarely, if ever, peruse the threads dealing with politics, but I think Chris Rock said it well, when he said that it's as if everyone thinks black America doesn't vote on the issues, but instead votes based on race. Paraphrasing his comment: "It's as if on OUR ballots there are options such as: Vanilla, or Chocolate? Ahhh, I'll choose chocolate!" Unfortunately, race will factor in to this election, in both positive and negative ways, that's just the nature of the beast. The black people I know who're planning on supporting Mr. Obama are, in fact, voting based on their interpretation of his views of the issues, and how those views affect them.

This is a prime example why some people may think that there are a significant amount of black people that vote based on color first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CE5Q-gKZE

[motordavid]

Originally Posted by FSETH

This is a prime example why some people may think that there are a significant amount of black people that vote based on color first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CE5Q-gKZE

And I've always thought Obama was ~50% Caucasian and ~50%
African.

[chonko]

Originally Posted by motordavid

And I've always thought Obama was ~50% Caucasian and ~50%
African.

That was what I thought too.
I wonder what you will call half Asian half Caucasian?
I wonder what we will call Half Asian half Black?

It's confusing really, if someone that is half white and half black is considered black.

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by chonko

That was what I thought too.
I wonder what you will call half Asian half Caucasian?
I wonder what we will call Half Asian half Black?

It's confusing really, if someone that is half white and half black is considered black.

I agree. Unfortunately, this "rule of thumb" has been promulgated in law and supported by the U.S. Supreme Court. They refer to it as the "One Drop Rule." Although it has been overturned, Plessy v. Ferguson is one such case.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._ferguson

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by FSETH

This is a prime example why some people may think that there are a significant amount of black people that vote based on color first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CE5Q-gKZE

What a freakin' train wreck

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by chonko

I wonder what we will call Half Asian half Black?

blackanese or blasian.

Lets be honest people. Black americans have been treating Obama like he is 110% black man, when in actuality it is 50%. Historically, black people are not so quick to accept mixed people like this and take them in as their own. Like I said, I have actually seen shirts here in Atlanta with him and MLK together. I don't like being politically correct, so it is completely laughable to sit here and read these post that it is not racial and that "most" of black America has not adopted this guy as their own and that there are not tons of black people that are voting for him primarily becaue he is black. Wake up people. Stop being so politically correct.

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by FSETH

blackanese or blasian.

Lets be honest people. Black americans have been treating Obama like he is 110% black man, when in actuality it is 50%. Historically, black people are not so quick to accept mixed people like this and take them in as their own. Like I said, I have actually seen shirts here in Atlanta with him and MLK together. I don't like being politically correct, so it is completely laughable to sit here and read these post that it is not racial and that "most" of black America has not adopted this guy as their own and that there are not tons of black people that are voting for him primarily becaue he is black. Wake up people. Stop being so politically correct.

First, I must have missed that chapter in the handbook about "black people are not so quick to accept mixed people."

Second, since the 1960's blacks have voted heavily for the democratic party, regardless of race.

Third, there is another black person running for president, Cynthia Mckinney. By your statement, she should be getting at least 99% of the black female vote.

Fourth, When Alan Keys ran... how many black votes did he get? Not many.

Fifth, black folks were not completely sold on Obama at the start of his campaign. In fact, my own house was divided. I was for Obama... my wife was for Clinton.

Sixth, And why are we trying to divide Obama up between his black half and his white half? If he was required to check a box that asked "White, Black, Hispanic(non-black), Asian, Native American, or Pacific Islander" he would have to select black.

All this talk about what Obama is or isn't reminds me of this:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ch...aft/3286207855

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

First, I must have missed that chapter in the handbook about "black people are not so quick to accept mixed people."

You are not being honest if you don't agree with this statement.

Second, since the 1960's blacks have voted heavily for the democratic party, regardless of race.

Agreed, but they have not really rapped about them, they have not really sold Obama shirts next to Atlanta Falcon shirts at the Georgia Dome before football games and they have not had pro athletes (Josh Howard) saying "I'm black... Obama and all that shit" on camera that I am aware of.

Third, there is another black person running for president, Cynthia Mckinney. By your statement, she should be getting at least 99% of the black female vote.

Is that even true? Cynthia Mckinney may be one of the dumbest people to live in our generation, so I would hope not. What a waste of space she is. It would be pathetic if mass people were voting for her. She comes across as one of the most entitled people I have ever seen in my life.

Fourth, When Alan Keys ran... how many black votes did he get? Not many.

He did not quite have the resources that Obama has thrown into this election. The more air time and commercials the better your chances. Obama is advertising in video games for Christ sake. Seriously, V-I-D-E-O games.

Fifth, black folks were not completely sold on Obama at the start of his campaign. In fact, my own house was divided. I was for Obama... my wife was for Clinton.

I can't argue that one.

Sixth, And why are we trying to divide Obama up between his black half and his white half? If he was required to check a box that asked "White, Black, Hispanic(non-black), Asian, Native American, or Pacific Islander" he would have to select black.

All this talk about what Obama is or isn't reminds me of this:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ch...aft/3286207855

The reason I am dividing him up between his black half and white half is that in some areas of this country you would never even know he was half white. It is very obvious that some are voting for him soley because he is going to be viewed as the first black president if he wins. Plain and simple.

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by FSETH

The reason I am dividing him up between his black half and white half is that in some areas of this country you would never even know he was half white. It is very obvious that some are voting for him soley because he is going to be viewed as the first black president if he wins. Plain and simple.

But your excuses for Cynthia McKinney and Alan Keys shouldn't matter. The only thing that should matter, at least according to you, is the fact that they are black. Yes, Cynthia McKinney is the presidential nominee for the Green Party.

Being of mixed heritage is more than just skin color. You cannot look at a person and tell whether they are mixed. Was Thurgood Marshall? No. Was Cab Calloway? No. Is Colin Powell? No. How about Harold Ford, Jr? No. (I tried to think of the fairest skinned black folks to prove this point) But you know who is? Slash from Guns and Roses. There are plenty of fairer skinned blacks than Obama that are not of mixed heritage. Granted, there are hardly any African American decendant of slaves that are without some mixed heritage in their ancestry, not even the darkest of us.

Sure, there are some intraracial issues among blacks, but it has nothing to do with not accepting mixed people.

I thought it was kinda funny that Barack was advertising in video games. His campaign is just ahead of the game!

[Wagner]

Just thought I'd note we are probably all of mixed heritage. I can find some agreement with the fact that blacks seem to inherently vote democrat. IMO that really doesn't make it any better than simply voting on skin tone. If you'd like to see an example of crappy voting based on not understanding facts and simply voting democrat, come to Maryland and check out Martin O'Malley. He ruined the city of Baltimore and is now ruining the state voted in by primarily 3 counties in Maryland.

Obama has simply changed the way you win an election by playing down to the lowest denominator, video games, T-shirts for sale at mall kiosks, etc. It isn't necessarily bad. I mean if you're trying to get someone elected why not take the American Idol approach? Look how successful it is. This will be a defining election in a couple ways including seeing if these amounts of people who are "excited" about Obama actually show up to vote for him. The "youth" vote or "new voter" vote has routinely been a disappointment, but maybe that will be different this year.