Biden...Obama will be tested in his first 6 months.

[E61Silver]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Remember, Obama back pedaled on that and now says that "of course" there would be discussions before. Change, change, change

I think that talk is cheap and is worth a try. Hopefully when you talk to someone you take them out of the small world they live in and make them think about the other person point of view.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

I think that talk is cheap and is worth a try. Hopefully when you talk to someone you take them out of the small world they live in and make them think about the other person point of view.

Unfortunately people like Ahmadinejad are not going to listen to reason and when someone as important as the President meets with them face to face it almost legitimizes what they are doing in a sense. Not good at all without many lower level meetings first, IMO.

Wagner, I didn't know he changed his views on that as well. Guess you are right, he is all about change.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Unfortunately people like Ahmadinejad are not going to listen to reason and when someone as important as the President meets with them face to face it almost legitimizes what they are doing in a sense. Not good at all without many lower level meetings first, IMO.

Wagner, I didn't know he changed his views on that as well. Guess you are right, he is all about change.

Yes sir...change change change.

Vote Bob Barr and www.lp.org Be a real American IMO of course.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Lower level talks are one thing, having the President of the U.S. give this type of leader a face-to-face (like Obama wants to do) is not the right move.

McCain is all for lower level talks, but he would not give Ahmadinejad a one-on-one meeting before this happens and I back him on that.

Petraeus and others have specifically supported the concept of leaders speaking directly with their enemies. Petraeus came out and disagreed with McCain's attack on Obama on this point. Nothing there about lower levels. Good interview, available on line.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by JCL

Petraeus and others have specifically supported the concept of leaders speaking directly with their enemies. Petraeus came out and disagreed with McCain's attack on Obama on this point. Nothing there about lower levels. Good interview, available on line.

I have the utmost respect for Petraeus, but he is a battlefield general discussing diplomacy

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

That is probably true but what is your point, we should just stop bombing?

Yes, that is my point. That strategy doesn't work. Read post #16.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by LeMansX5

I don't think that is the reason why no terror attacks since 9/11.
If they want it they will do it still, trust me. And I don't think 9/11 is the reason we bombed Iraq.
Someone posted a video of kids throwing stone at US mil guys a while back. Most people do not understand why they were throwing stones and called the kids idiots. You have to spend time in that part of world to really understand the minds of people. In that part of world, people kill their brothers for money and/or power. Bombing is just a short term solution.

Your apparently under the idea that they haven't tried since 9/11, they most certainly 100% have. And they have been stopped.

Ask Hiroshima if "bombing is just a short term solution". Again, ugly but effective solution.

[LeMansX5]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Your apparently under the idea that they haven't tried since 9/11, they most certainly 100% have. And they have been stopped.

I know they have but that does not mean that they will stop and not try again. 9/11 was not the first attempt either, but did we stop 9/11? We have to built strong defenses. Airport security is still a joke.

Originally Posted by Wagner

Ask Hiroshima if "bombing is just a short term solution". Again, ugly but effective solution.

Should have repeated Hiroshima in Afghanistan and Pakistan than to be effective. Bin laden is still on loose and we gave billions to Pakistan helping hide them. Different times...different beast now.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by LeMansX5

I know they have but that does not mean that they will stop and not try again. 9/11 was not the first attempt either, but did we stop 9/11? We have to built strong defenses. Airport security is still a joke.

Should have repeated Hiroshima in Afghanistan and Pakistan than to be effective. Bin laden is still on loose and we gave billions to Pakistan helping hide them. Different times...different beast now.

I really hope you were being goofy on purpose to simply make a point, some how. I don't think the US was at risk at losing 1M lives in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.