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Old 10-22-2008, 11:34 AM
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Obama's laundry list.

-Has 20+ year relationship with racist close friend and spiritual advisor Rev. Wright and only disassociates himself from the reverend after he is viewed poorly by the media. Obama obviously is in-line with the reverend's views.

-Pockets around $100k from Fannie Mae.

-Has worked with or for Acorn, who is known for voter fraud issues over the past 10-20 years.

-Has an advisor who milked Fannie Mae dry. Last report I saw said $100 million.

-Lied about his relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers. However, small it was.

-Doesn't even know how many states there are in the U.S. (said he visited 57 states and had one to go)

-Removed all (3 or 4) of the American flags from the exterior of his personal 757 and replaced with his "O" symbol.

-His wife Michelle Obama is on record saying “People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Don't you think a lot has happened over her lifetime to be proud of? As I read somewhere, what about matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud — all the accomplishments of inclusion? How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court?

-Is on video without his hand on his heart while the National Anthem is playing.

-Wants to spread the wealth around.

-His Vice Presidential running mate Biden says the following; "Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking," Biden said. "Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." That just goes to show that nobody views Obama as capable of handeling a situation like this. Seriously, why would his own running mate bring this up before the election?

-Throw in the fact that he has very little actual political experience.

If this was McCains laundry list he would be getting buried in the media everyday. Why are people so quick to overlook all of this for Obama and why are so many people supporting this man?
You could persuade voters to not vote for Obama by addressing his plans and policies instead of his character. Obama has not attacked McCain's character - he has, however, attacked McCain's plans and policies.

The laundry list above is to scare you. It's time that we voters rise above politics as usual. Acorn may have registered fictitious persons to vote, but google "YPM" - and you will see that the RNC was involved with disenfranchising real voters. Has Obama brought this up??? Nope, it's a distraction to real issues of concern.

You can look at how the two campaigns are run to get a sense of how each will run the country.

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Old 10-22-2008, 11:41 AM
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You could persuade voters to not vote for Obama by addressing his plans and policies instead of his character. Obama has not attacked McCain's character - he has, however, attacked McCain's plans and policies.

The laundry list above is to scare you. It's time that we voters rise above politics as usual. Acorn may have registered fictitious persons to vote, but google "YMB" - and you will see that the RNC was involved with disenfranchising real voters. Has Obama brought this up??? Nope, it's a distraction to real issues of concern.

You can look at how the two campaigns are run to get a sense how each will run the country.
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Disagree. Voter Registration fraud, is voter fraud IMO. While I don't believe it would really effect the outcome of an election, a persons ties to such a overtly corrupt organization should be of merit.
OK. We do agree that it won't affect the outcome (there were no ballots involved).

Do you think that the reported two one-hour classes he taught as a volunteer for ACORN were instructing ACORN employees in how to perpetuate fraud? If so, that would be very relevant. That is a key link I saw to ACORN employees in the sources.

There was also a joint state-federal investigation in Washington State that decided that the scheme there, the largest one prosecuted, was not intended to permit illegal voting, according to the Republican prosecuting attorney. I found that significant.
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OK. We do agree that it won't affect the outcome (there were no ballots involved).

Do you think that the reported two one-hour classes he taught as a volunteer for ACORN were instructing ACORN employees in how to perpetuate fraud? If so, that would be very relevant. That is a key link I saw to ACORN employees in the sources.

There was also a joint state-federal investigation in Washington State that decided that the scheme there, the largest one prosecuted, was not intended to permit illegal voting, according to the Republican prosecuting attorney. I found that significant.

We've already agreed on the docs coming out of Seattle in October.
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Wagner, you have nailed it - "you see what you want to see" is the ultimate truth about anything. Why, because nothing has any meaning at all, but what you decide to give it.
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Wagner, you have nailed it - "you see what you want to see" is the ultimate truth about anything. Why, because nothing has any meaning at all, but what you decide to give it.
Exactly. Which is why you should ONLY back someone you believe in and agree with. Not partially agree with, not think can win, not wouldn't it be cool, but someone you actually agree with. Don't get force fed candidates by the media, instead look around. Read. Kick over a few rocks, and find someone that you could actually sit back and say "this person will do a great job".

Remember both the Rep and Dem party are responsible for the mess the country is in now. It couldn't have happened without shared responsibility. And as election time nears, they all point fingers and they all cast blame...but none say "hey, ya know what? Government was the problem and thus, I was the problem".

Government, both Dems and Reps stopped working for the "people" a long time ago. They will continue to attempt to mandate via tax code and legislation, what is good for you in their eyes and with their agenda in the forefront.
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You left out a bunch but I agree with you (No surprise for the peanut gallery) Two of the items on your list are indisputable which alone should preclude him from getting elected. The rest Democrats have been able to come up with "excuses" to deny the validity of the indiscretions. Ayres for example...Obama has successfully (in their minds) lied about this relationship.

He will win the election and that is really based on the TOTAL failure of Bush and our economic situation. Chalk this up to a Perfect Storm.
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Exactly. Which is why you should ONLY back someone you believe in and agree with. Not partially agree with, not think can win, not wouldn't it be cool, but someone you actually agree with. Don't get force fed candidates by the media, instead look around. Read. Kick over a few rocks, and find someone that you could actually sit back and say "this person will do a great job".

Remember both the Rep and Dem party are responsible for the mess the country is in now. It couldn't have happened without shared responsibility. And as election time nears, they all point fingers and they all cast blame...but none say "hey, ya know what? Government was the problem".
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I wasn't trying to insult you, JCL. I know you are an intelligent person.

Can we both agree that Obama has very close ties to Acorn and Acorn, whether convicted of anything or not, has been involved in fraud over the past 20 years or so? Obama helped Acorn out in a lawsuit in the mid 1990's when Acorn filed a suit against the state of Illinios and he taught or was invited to teach Acorn training classes.

Both sides do get money from places like Fannie Mae, but from what I have read, Obama was near the top of the list on how much people were paid.

The quote of Michelle Obama was from a very credible news source and I didn't manipulate any of the words. I don't know what else to say about that one.

Also, according to multiple sites, Obama did remove all flags from his plane and replace them with his personalized logo's. Check out the before and after photos here;

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

Otherwise, there is no disputing what Bidden said about him being tested, his relationship with a racist reverend, his lack of experience, him not putting his hand over his heart for the National Anthem, Him saying he had been to 57 states and had one to go, his personal statement on wanting to spread the wealth around and so on.
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