im surprised there have not been posts about the Hamas, Israel conflict.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by ylwjacket

it seems to me that, if they would quit that crap, it would be a realtively peaceful coexistence.

Comparable statement:

If the slaves stopped misbehaving, then the owner would not beat them and they could live in peace.



The Palestineans want their own country. They do not want to "live in peace" under Israeli rule. You guys keep mentioning how the Israelis withdrew from Gaza, as if that should make everything better. But they did not grant Gaza independence from their rule. Israel's position is that Gaza is still their land and they can do what they wish with it. Until they give that land back, there will be no peace.


Someone made reference to the fact that there was no peace BEFORE Israel took those lands. Yes, that is true. But Israel has since made peace with Egypt. The peace plan I posted above has been approved by all of the Arab countries, including both Hamas and the PLO. All of them have agreed to acknowledge Israel's existance and have normalized relations with Israel. The only party that has yet to agree is Israel.

If your position is that you don't believe the Arabs, and that they cannot be trusted to sign any peace agreement, then you are saying that you will not negotiate with them and thus war is the only option. But as I said above, unless you are prepared to kill all 1.5 million people in Gaza, war will not succeed. It will simply further anger those who survive the war. And if this is your position, you are also thumbing your nose as the 2 peace agreements that Israel has made in the past -- those with Egypt and Jordan, because as far as I can see, both of those countries (who are Arab) kept their word and have honored the agreements.

So you basically have 2 options on the table:

1) negotiate peace
2) genocide

Any other course of action will simply continue to the status quo.