Health Care in the US

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by Wagner

You should be sent packing, be responsible for YOURSELF

Funny how last week you were telling me that its my music company's job to provide health care. Now you say each individual should be responsible for themselves.

[Eric5273]

This sums up the US health care system and the HMO's that most people have for their health coverage....

Here's a transcript of how HMO's came to be:

February 17, 1971, 5:23pm in the Oval Office:

Ehrlichman: We have now narrowed down the vice president's problems on this thing to one issue, and that is whether we should include these Health Maintanance Organizations like Edgar Kaiser's thing.

Nixon: Now let me ask you... You know I'm not too keen on any of these damn medical programs.

Ehrlichman: This is a private enterprise one.

Nixon: Well, that appeals to me.

Ehrlichman: Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason he can do it.... I had Edgar Kaiser come in, talk to me about this. And I went into some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them, the more money they make.

Nixon: Fine.



Take a listen for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q




People who qualify for Medicaid actually receive better care than those who have private insurance, because Medicaid has fewer restrictions than most HMOs. And the reason is that it's non-profit.

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

This sums up the US health care system and the HMO's that most people have for their health coverage....

Here's a transcript of how HMO's came to be:

February 17, 1971, 5:23pm in the Oval Office:

Ehrlichman: We have now narrowed down the vice president's problems on this thing to one issue, and that is whether we should include these Health Maintanance Organizations like Edgar Kaiser's thing.

Nixon: Now let me ask you... You know I'm not too keen on any of these damn medical programs.

Ehrlichman: This is a private enterprise one.

Nixon: Well, that appeals to me.

Ehrlichman: Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason he can do it.... I had Edgar Kaiser come in, talk to me about this. And I went into some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them, the more money they make.

Nixon: Fine.



Take a listen for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q




People who qualify for Medicaid actually receive better care than those who have private insurance, because Medicaid has fewer restrictions than most HMOs. And the reason is that it's non-profit.

You are to pathetic sometimes, I mean nearly all times, ok everytime, I admit it. I would like to see you dig up a study to prove your little personal statement at the bottom because as far as I'm concerned it couldn't be anything but lies, then again most of the vile that spews from your sn is a lie.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

You are to pathetic sometimes, I mean nearly all times, ok everytime, I admit it. I would like to see you dig up a study to prove your little personal statement at the bottom because as far as I'm concerned it couldn't be anything but lies, then again most of the vile that spews from your sn is a lie.

Hey now. He had to pull that from nearly 40 (1971) years ago, that is a skill!!!! I'm actually surprised it wasn't a wiki page or some other 40 paragraph ramble Remember, if you talk long enough and read only what you want..you can believe anything. He is a business owner that doesn't give crap one about his companies benefits or his people. Yet shocked that Insurance companies want to make money, isn't that what he is doing by avoiding offering insurance through his company If I dropped my employees coverage I'd keep nearly $25,000 a month...but I have this thing where I actually want their lives to be covered as best I can since they are working for me Call me crazy but I think I define his view of a "utopian socialist person who cares about others yet still gives my 100%" than he is.

Blinders...fully attached.

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Hey now. He had to pull that from nearly 40 (1971) years ago, that is a skill!!!! I'm actually surprised it wasn't a wiki page or some other 40 paragraph ramble Remember, if you talk long enough and read only what you want..you can believe anything. He is a business owner that doesn't give crap one about his companies benefits or his people. Yet shocked that Insurance companies want to make money, isn't that what he is doing by avoiding offering insurance through his company If I dropped my employees coverage I'd keep nearly $25,000 a month...but I have this thing where I actually want their lives to be covered as best I can since they are working for me Call me crazy but I think I define his view of a "utopian socialist person who cares about others yet still gives my 100%" than he is.

Blinders...fully attached.

It's eric what do you expect from someone as blind and self centered as him. I find it shameful he won't provide benefits. It speaks volumes about the kind of person he is that he can't cough up a Premier membership yet hogs our website with useless posts showing his total lack of intelligence AND can't pay for his companies health benefits, it's really pathetic.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

It's eric what do you expect from someone as blind and self centered as him. I find it shameful he won't provide benefits. It speaks volumes about the kind of person he is that he can't cough up a Premier membership yet hogs our website with useless posts showing his total lack of intelligence AND can't pay for his companies health benefits, it's really pathetic.

While you may not agree with Eric (and I don't agree with many items he has posted), I don't think that this is a respectful post, and I think we can do better as a community. Basic respect for differing opinions would be a good start.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Funny how last week you were telling me that its my music company's job to provide health care. Now you say each individual should be responsible for themselves.

Nice removal of context, pretty much expect that from ya though

You own a business, as a business owner you SHOULD BE CONCERNED about your employees. You obviously aren't. Congratz! Hope they love ya for that

As the person working for you, if you will not provide me coverage through your company at a VASTLY cheaper rate than buying it myself, it is my responsibility to cover myself. Understand now? Probabaly not Probably still upset the guy from Canada agreed with my last link as that is generally your Michael Moore wheelhouse of why the US sucks

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Probably still upset the guy from Canada agreed with my last link .....<snip>

You shouldn't be too surprised that I agreed with many of the points in your link. It was written by a Canadian, from Canada, about the Canadian health care system, for an American audience, solely to debunk myths that many Americans believe about our health care system. God knows there are enough misconceptions out there to more than fill a ten point list

My support for universal health care coverage doesn't come with blinders that suggest everything is perfect in our current system, far from it. That doesn't mean I would discard it, given the choice.


The guy from Canada

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by JCL

You shouldn't be too surprised that I agreed with many of the points in your link. It was written by a Canadian, from Canada, about the Canadian health care system, for an American audience, solely to debunk myths that many Americans believe about our health care system. God knows there are enough misconceptions out there to more than fill a ten point list

My support for universal health care coverage doesn't come with blinders that suggest everything is perfect in our current system, far from it. That doesn't mean I would discard it, given the choice.


The guy from Canada

Guy from Canada - the blinders comment was for my boy E-town

I don't think many American's believe the myths..however Michael Moore and a few others who think the USA's systems sucks sewer water.....do. Anytime they are presented with facts going the other way from the people that live there or..um..DOCTORS..they tend to switch the question around/rephrase/redirect/ignore.

[Dannyell]

I don't understand why are we criticizing or comparing to Canada's health care system? to make us feel better about our own??

Give it a rest...our country will never match the likes of France and other top 'health care' providing countries...so why argue and insult each other over it

kids...