But they love Obama in Europe

[ssan586]

I find it extremely interesting folks, especially Republicans in USA are blaming Obama for so much and complaining about his bailout plans as if he's an ultra-liberal money waster. However, folks seem to have forgotten that it was Bush who started this line of bailouts and he was supported by many of these same conservatives.

As a totally non-partisan, open-minded, and intelligent individual, this back and forth bickering in our country really irritates me. With both, Democrats, and Republicans, it seems that everything everyone who is not on "my team" supports, is automatically stupid or doing something bad. I think people need to stop thinking like elementary schoolers jumping on a bandwagon and overlooking common sense, and join forces to do what is best for us all. We're never going to get anywhere as earthlings (yes, everyone is affected by these actions, not just folks in one country) unless we work together and stop the childish pursuit of conquering "the other team". It's pointless...

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by ssan586

.....As a totally non-partisan, open-minded, and intelligent individual, this back and forth bickering in our country really irritates me. With both, Democrats, and Republicans, it seems that everything everyone who is not on "my team" supports, is automatically stupid or doing something bad. I think people need to stop thinking like elementary schoolers jumping on a bandwagon and overlooking common sense, and join forces to do what is best for us all. We're never going to get anywhere as earthlings (yes, everyone is affected by these actions, not just folks in one country) unless we work together and stop the childish pursuit of conquering "the other team". It's pointless...

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that awesome character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

[X5rolls]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of a Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

Well said.

[ravenheart]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance

....

given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept?

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong? Labeling the 'typical Republican politician' as someone who follows extremist opinions does not seem moderate or rational at all?

... argh crap ... I made another post in the political section ... I feel dirty.

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by ravenheart

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong? Labeling the 'typical Republican politician' as someone who follows extremist opinions does not seem moderate or rational at all?

... argh crap ... I made another post in the political section ... I feel dirty.

2007 Republican Debates:
John McCain answered "yes" when asked whether he believed in evolution. Immediately following, the questioner inquired whether any of the candidates did NOT believe in evolution. THREE candidates (Tancredo, Brownback, and Huckabee) raised their hands.

Not labeling bro. Just calling it like I see it.

[ssan586]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that awesome character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

I totally agree.

[alewifebp]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that awesome character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

I don't see your point as being overly moderate, as much as you might wish to think it is. Your simple assertion that college educated people are flocking towards Obama may be true, but it also belies the fact that most college educators are themselves liberal and elitist, which rubs on the students. I saw it when I went to college, and I'm sure it is even more in that direction today.

Speaking of educated voters, I do hope you take a look at the following video: YouTube - How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters
Now I will certainly admit that both sides of the aisle are plenty ignorant, but it is not just a left/right thing as you seem to be asserting. And just because someone is college educated doesn't automatically make them right. In fact, it is quite the elitist view to think that only educated people should be the ones making voting decisions. The beauty of our Republic is that anyone can make that decision, whether that decision is perceived to be right or wrong.

Concerning "climate change", it is a much more complex issue than you paint. One can believe that the world is getting warmer (or cooler if this were the 1970s), but yet disagree with the causes of that change in climate, and the proposed solutions. I can not support solutions that will punish businesses and individuals and impose even more government control over our lives. I can't believe that anyone on here really would advocate more government control of anything. It just is so contrary to what our personal freedoms are supposed to mean and what the founders thought. And as we all know, the governments track record of making the correct decisions is lacking. Let the free market, through innovation, fix the problem, not a monolithic, politicized government.

I also can not support such solutions that provide heavy financial benefits to the biggest scaremongering hypocrite global warmingist in chief, Al Gore, and his ilk. That's what will happen with this so-called cap and trade legislation.

Lastly, we need to remember what was proposed by scientists in the 1970s to prevent the coming ice age. They proffered that they should pump more carbon in to the air, and we see how well that would have worked. Who is to say that the current scientific beliefs are also not flawed, and that we may make a problem worse? These are the things that are not being addressed, and hence the conservative negativity towards any such so-called global warming.

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by alewifebp

I don't see your point as being overly moderate, as much as you might wish to think it is. Your simple assertion that college educated people are flocking towards Obama may be true, but it also belies the fact that most college educators are themselves liberal and elitist, which rubs on the students. I saw it when I went to college, and I'm sure it is even more in that direction today.

Speaking of educated voters, I do hope you take a look at the following video: YouTube - How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters
Now I will certainly admit that both sides of the aisle are plenty ignorant, but it is not just a left/right thing as you seem to be asserting. And just because someone is college educated doesn't automatically make them right. In fact, it is quite the elitist view to think that only educated people should be the ones making voting decisions. The beauty of our Republic is that anyone can make that decision, whether that decision is perceived to be right or wrong.

Concerning "climate change", it is a much more complex issue than you paint. One can believe that the world is getting warmer (or cooler if this were the 1970s), but yet disagree with the causes of that change in climate, and the proposed solutions. I can not support solutions that will punish businesses and individuals and impose even more government control over our lives. I can't believe that anyone on here really would advocate more government control of anything. It just is so contrary to what our personal freedoms are supposed to mean and what the founders thought. And as we all know, the governments track record of making the correct decisions is lacking. Let the free market, through innovation, fix the problem, not a monolithic, politicized government.

I also can not support such solutions that provide heavy financial benefits to the biggest scaremongering hypocrite global warmingist in chief, Al Gore, and his ilk. That's what will happen with this so-called cap and trade legislation.

Lastly, we need to remember what was proposed by scientists in the 1970s to prevent the coming ice age. They proffered that they should pump more carbon in to the air, and we see how well that would have worked. Who is to say that the current scientific beliefs are also not flawed, and that we may make a problem worse? These are the things that are not being addressed, and hence the conservative negativity towards any such so-called global warming.

I did not mean to imply that college-educated voters are in any way "better" or "more eligible" to vote. But for some conservatives to say that these are 'elitist' voters is a self-defeating strategy. Seems to me that education (and higher education especially) should be espoused by both parties. We now need to compete in a global marketplace where countries like India, China, Japan, and much of the EU will eventually make us into an EX-superpower if we don't make a renewed push for a rigorous, high-tech education in all our schools.

As for global warming and alternative energy, once again the US can either take the lead, or be left in the dust (or should I say smog?) It is just sad to me that this is even being made into a partisan issue> Why? Seems to me that Democrat and Repubilcan alike should be working together to stimulate further implementation of wind, solar, nuclear, and pretty much anytihng that gets us away from fossil fuels. To me, the most enduring and FANTASTIC aspect of the Republican party has been their unflinching focus on National Security and Defense. And what better way to further this security interest than to get away from our oil-enslavement to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, and all the other shady OPEC players like Iran? Reducing reliance on foreign oil will do more for our common Defense than any B-2 Stealth or other Pentagon program could ever dream of. And while I'm all for private sector innovation, it's pretty clear that the private sector alone has not been able to 'deliver the goods' on alternative energy, so to speak. So if an infusion of Federal funds is what's necessary to get the ball rolling, I do not view it any differently than the Pentagon buying another batch of F-22 Raptors for $150 mil per copy.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by ssan586

I find it extremely interesting folks, especially Republicans in USA are blaming Obama for so much and complaining about his bailout plans as if he's an ultra-liberal money waster. However, folks seem to have forgotten that it was Bush who started this line of bailouts and he was supported by many of these same conservatives.

As a totally non-partisan, open-minded, and intelligent individual, this back and forth bickering in our country really irritates me. With both, Democrats, and Republicans, it seems that everything everyone who is not on "my team" supports, is automatically stupid or doing something bad. I think people need to stop thinking like elementary schoolers jumping on a bandwagon and overlooking common sense, and join forces to do what is best for us all. We're never going to get anywhere as earthlings (yes, everyone is affected by these actions, not just folks in one country) unless we work together and stop the childish pursuit of conquering "the other team". It's pointless...

The problem is not Democratic or Republican its government. What we need is less intervention and more personal responsibility. The government should protect us and our rights as a society. Not much more...If personal responsibility was to rule more people would act responsible to survive. When will we realize you can't remove consequences and expect people to learn for themselves? If I want more out of life I work harder. If you want to earn more money as an adult study hard and apply yourselves as a youth. If you decide to be a drug addict then you suffer. If you decide to be a criminal you earn your right to be taken out of the free society. If you make a ton of money and decide to give it to your children then you have that right because you earned that right or someone down the line in your family make some good decisions. We need to teach personal responsibility and reward personal responsibility. This whole idea of taking from hard working law abiding individuals and transferring it to irresponsible lazy people who spend their welfare checks on drugs, beer and lottery tickets is ridiculous.

[dsm2925]

Originally Posted by ssan586

I find it extremely interesting folks, especially Republicans in USA are blaming Obama for so much and complaining about his bailout plans as if he's an ultra-liberal money waster. However, folks seem to have forgotten that it was Bush who started this line of bailouts and he was supported by many of these same conservatives.

As a totally non-partisan, open-minded, and intelligent individual, this back and forth bickering in our country really irritates me. With both, Democrats, and Republicans, it seems that everything everyone who is not on "my team" supports, is automatically stupid or doing something bad. I think people need to stop thinking like elementary schoolers jumping on a bandwagon and overlooking common sense, and join forces to do what is best for us all. We're never going to get anywhere as earthlings (yes, everyone is affected by these actions, not just folks in one country) unless we work together and stop the childish pursuit of conquering "the other team". It's pointless...