But they love Obama in Europe

[Quicksilver]

Hmmmm...
My neighbors toilet went on the blink last week.
No doubt Obama is to blame.

[ravenheart]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance

....

given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept?

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong? Labeling the 'typical Republican politician' as someone who follows extremist opinions does not seem moderate or rational at all?

... argh crap ... I made another post in the political section ... I feel dirty.

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by ravenheart

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong? Labeling the 'typical Republican politician' as someone who follows extremist opinions does not seem moderate or rational at all?

... argh crap ... I made another post in the political section ... I feel dirty.

2007 Republican Debates:
John McCain answered "yes" when asked whether he believed in evolution. Immediately following, the questioner inquired whether any of the candidates did NOT believe in evolution. THREE candidates (Tancredo, Brownback, and Huckabee) raised their hands.

Not labeling bro. Just calling it like I see it.

[ssan586]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that awesome character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

I totally agree.

[Scottie]

Originally Posted by StumpyPete

I will happily discuss it with you when you put your blinkered and biased views to one side and are prepared to discuss it rationally. So not this century then!

my man Stumpy

[alewifebp]

Originally Posted by StanF18

If everyone took a moderate, rational stance instead of forcing themselves into a radical corner (whether it's Far Right or Far Left), some important things could actually GET DONE.

However, you have made one false assumption on your post: that every adult in the US is as well-educated and well-read as the posters on this thread. Which is unfortunately far from the case. A sizable chunk of the country DOES "think like elementary schoolers". Unfortunately for Republicans, it appears they are getting the larger share of these, while the college-educated crowd is gravitating towards Obama. Gone are the days when young Republicans could take solace in Michael J Fox's portrayal of Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties. As much as I loved that awesome character back in the 1980s, where can a well-educated individual gravitate in this day and age, given the fact that your typical Republican politician now denies global warming and denies that evolution is a real concept? Seriously, the GOP needs to re-evaluate their silly stances on some of these issues, and stop denying everyday scientific realities. Or they will make themselves even more irrelevant than they already are.

I don't see your point as being overly moderate, as much as you might wish to think it is. Your simple assertion that college educated people are flocking towards Obama may be true, but it also belies the fact that most college educators are themselves liberal and elitist, which rubs on the students. I saw it when I went to college, and I'm sure it is even more in that direction today.

Speaking of educated voters, I do hope you take a look at the following video: YouTube - How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters
Now I will certainly admit that both sides of the aisle are plenty ignorant, but it is not just a left/right thing as you seem to be asserting. And just because someone is college educated doesn't automatically make them right. In fact, it is quite the elitist view to think that only educated people should be the ones making voting decisions. The beauty of our Republic is that anyone can make that decision, whether that decision is perceived to be right or wrong.

Concerning "climate change", it is a much more complex issue than you paint. One can believe that the world is getting warmer (or cooler if this were the 1970s), but yet disagree with the causes of that change in climate, and the proposed solutions. I can not support solutions that will punish businesses and individuals and impose even more government control over our lives. I can't believe that anyone on here really would advocate more government control of anything. It just is so contrary to what our personal freedoms are supposed to mean and what the founders thought. And as we all know, the governments track record of making the correct decisions is lacking. Let the free market, through innovation, fix the problem, not a monolithic, politicized government.

I also can not support such solutions that provide heavy financial benefits to the biggest scaremongering hypocrite global warmingist in chief, Al Gore, and his ilk. That's what will happen with this so-called cap and trade legislation.

Lastly, we need to remember what was proposed by scientists in the 1970s to prevent the coming ice age. They proffered that they should pump more carbon in to the air, and we see how well that would have worked. Who is to say that the current scientific beliefs are also not flawed, and that we may make a problem worse? These are the things that are not being addressed, and hence the conservative negativity towards any such so-called global warming.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by StumpyPete

I will happily discuss it with you when you put your blinkered and biased views to one side and are prepared to discuss it rationally. So not this century then!

So you admit defeat How was anything "blinkered" or "biased"? And by rationally do you mean accept your opinion as correct

You can't define how liquidity relates to negative credit ratings..yet you took an uber defensive position when the association was applied...so were you just commenting for the sake of it, if you don't want to defend your position that is implied?

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Hmmmm...
My neighbors toilet went on the blink last week.
No doubt Obama is to blame.

Probably. Because he redistributed the water for the toilet.

[chile1]

Originally Posted by StumpyPete

I will happily discuss it with you when you put your blinkered and biased views to one side and are prepared to discuss it rationally. So not this century then!

Very well stated.

[dsm2925]

Originally Posted by ssan586

I find it extremely interesting folks, especially Republicans in USA are blaming Obama for so much and complaining about his bailout plans as if he's an ultra-liberal money waster. However, folks seem to have forgotten that it was Bush who started this line of bailouts and he was supported by many of these same conservatives.

As a totally non-partisan, open-minded, and intelligent individual, this back and forth bickering in our country really irritates me. With both, Democrats, and Republicans, it seems that everything everyone who is not on "my team" supports, is automatically stupid or doing something bad. I think people need to stop thinking like elementary schoolers jumping on a bandwagon and overlooking common sense, and join forces to do what is best for us all. We're never going to get anywhere as earthlings (yes, everyone is affected by these actions, not just folks in one country) unless we work together and stop the childish pursuit of conquering "the other team". It's pointless...