this should upset some folks :)

[Wagner]

I finally figured out why all these college kids, and those just out, voted for Obama. Found this is a Money article questioning whether to charge grown up children rent, when living with their parents:

Without monthly housing expenses, your son would no doubt have lots more disposable income, which could allow him to live larger on his salary than he otherwise could (a nicer car, better vacations, more partying with friends, etc.). But he would be getting a false impression of what it takes to live within his means. Essentially, he would be living in a fantasy world that's available only because you're subsidizing him. If he remains in such a situation long enough, it could make his eventual adjustment to the real world -- where people do have to pay rent or make mortgage payments and adjust other spending as a result -- more difficult.

[chile1]

I would say that the majority of collage educated individuals voted for obama because he had the better plan on how to fix the economy.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by chile1

I would say that the majority of collage educated individuals voted for obama because he had the better plan on how to fix the economy.

Really? What was it, create a 13% GDP deficit?

[chile1]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Really? What was it, create a 13% GDP deficit?

Part of the GDP deficit was inherited from the Bush administration so we can't blame it all on Obama. Having said that, we cannot come out of this mess without spending money. If it was that simple, it would have been proposed [in a clear and detailed plan (w/measurable milestones showing progress)] by Obama's opponents and he/she would have won the election. That didn't happen however, and Hindsight Is Always 20/20......

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by chile1

I would say that the majority of collage educated individuals voted for obama because he had the better plan on how to fix the economy.

I don't think that was it. I personally think most college towns are pretty liberal places and kids in and just out of college are very impressionable. They thought things were bad and Obama was preaching change. They bought into the whole "Change" slogan, but didn't really know anything behind it. Plus Obama was very good about having his face and logo everywhere these young adults were as far as TV and internet are concerned. Thus, the whole "American Idol" style popularity campaign.

Also, many of these kids, educated or not, know nothing about the real world. That is why a bunch of them will probably change their voting style in the next election or two as they eventually wise up and realize the ramifications of their voting actions instead of falling for some sort of hollow, utopian slogan of change.

[chile1]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I don't think that was it. I personally think most college towns are pretty liberal places and kids in and just out of college are very impressionable. They thought things were bad and Obama was preaching change. They bought into the whole "Change" slogan, but didn't really know anything behind it. Plus Obama was very good about having his face and logo everywhere these young adults were as far as TV and internet are concerned. Thus, the whole "American Idol" style popularity campaign.

Also, many of these kids, educated or not, know nothing about the real world. That is why a bunch of them will probably change their voting style in the next election or two as they eventually wise up and realize the ramifications of their voting actions instead of falling for some sort of hollow, utopian slogan of change.

I'm not sure one can say that the youth vote carried Obama to victory. There were other key factors (i.e the Latino Vote, Women Vote, etc) whom must of also "bought into the whole Change slogan". I think it had more to do with the fact that the Republican party was/is out of touch with its citizens and is still stuck with the America of yesteryears.....

Just look at the Republicans, they even alienated their only candidate that actually had it right (Ron Paul).

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by chile1

I'm not sure one can say that the youth vote carried Obama to victory. There were other key factors (i.e the Latino Vote, Women Vote, etc) whom must of also "bought into the whole Change slogan". I think it had more to do with the fact that the Republican party was/is out of touch with its citizens and is still stuck with the America of yesteryears.....

Just look at the Republicans, they even alienated their only candidate that actually had it right (Ron Paul).

I was just referring to your comment where you said "the majority of college educated individuals voted for obama because he had the better plan on how to fix the economy". I don't think that is why that particular group of people voted for Obama. That is all.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I was just referring to your comment where you said "the majority of college educated individuals voted for obama because he had the better plan on how to fix the economy". I don't think that is why that particular group of people voted for Obama. That is all.

Correct. This is why you're now seeing a sharp poll drop on Obama, from the mid-60s he won with to the low-50s he is in just 6 months later. BTW, deficit when Bush left was around 4% GDP, far less than the 13% we're in now. And I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't take out loans to pay my annual costs

[chile1]

Originally Posted by Wagner

BTW, deficit when Bush left was around 4% GDP, far less than the 13% we're in now. And I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't take out loans to pay my annual costs

It might be a little unfair to blame the global economic crisis on Obama. Rather like saying there was only a little blaze but when the fire-chief arrived the whole building was burning.

Obama was handed a failing economy and was forced to take drastic action in order to prevent either a complete meltdown, or a decade or more of stagflation (per most economists and experts).

Up until the very end, much of Bush's spending, as in Iraq, was elective. He was handed a relatively thriving economy that nearly collapsed by the time he left.

IMHO, one of the few things that Bush did right was to sign the bailout bill. Obama had no objections; in fact he worked to gain support for the bill.......

[tomcat]

I haven't seen anyone blame the global economic crisis on the new president. I believe much of this debate involves the fact that we don't agree with his actions (or maybe even his being there in the first place). Yes, there were things that needed fixed but tossing coins at it (blindly) especially in this magnitude is definitely not the answer. If it had nearly collapsed before Bush even left, where are we now?