Rand Paul

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

When I was in high school in 1991, some friends and I went to a Denny's restaruant in San Jose, Ca on Blossom Hill Road after a college recruitment seminar. When we walked up to the hostest, we were all told that we would have to pre-pay a 5 dollar sitting fee. We were told that this was a new policy of the company. We paid and were seated. We were seated next to a table of some of our white friends from school. We asked if they had to pay a cover charge to sit, and they said no. Long story short, that was the beginning of investigation of Denny's discriminatory practices. My personal experience was reported in the New York Times, where my classmate was quoted. Denny's Restaurants to Pay $54 Million in Race Bias Suits - NYTimes.com

That same year, my parents stopped at a Denny's in Truckee, Ca on their way to Lake Tahoe or Reno (can't really remember). Anyway, another long story short, they were never seated despite the fact that other customers who arrived way after them were seated.

Those are just some of my personal experiences about discrimination at a well known business establishment.

Again, 20 years ago...and has it happened since? And did you go to Denny's since, and did you tell your friends of the experience?

Since people keep claiming business examples, I'd like to see current (last 5 years at least) examples with more than one business, otherwise it is a one off dying breed. I can give a nice pseudo-business example of racism right now, say 2008..elections in PA with the black panthers roaming around outside...again..one offs.

Now back on topic if you'd care to understand Paul's comments in more than a sound-byte:

Paul Remarks Have Deep Roots - WSJ.com

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Again, 20 years ago...and has it happened since? And did you go to Denny's since, and did you tell your friends of the experience?

Since people keep claiming business examples, I'd like to see current (last 5 years at least) examples with more than one business, otherwise it is a one off dying breed. I can give a nice pseudo-business example of racism right now, say 2008..elections in PA with the black panthers roaming around outside...again..one offs.

Denny's wasn't that long ago, and it wasn't an isolated incident. Do your own research. You'll be surprised at how much you don't know.

I haven't been back to a Denny's since.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

Denny's wasn't that long ago, and it wasn't an isolated incident. Do your own research. You'll be surprised at how much you don't know.

I haven't been back to a Denny's since.

Exactly so did it really make a difference what laws or lawsuits were filed? You haven't been back. You didn't need government interference.

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Exactly so did it really make a difference what laws or lawsuits were filed? You haven't been back. You didn't need government interference.

So if I punch you in the face, does it really make a difference if I am arrested and prosecuted for criminal battery so long as you learned not to cross my path anymore? I'm just saying... you don't need government interference.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

So if I punch you in the face, does it really make a difference if I am arrested and prosecuted for criminal battery so long as you learned not to cross my path anymore? I'm just saying... you don't need government interference.

Wow, so now you've changed business into physical assault.....logic train just left the station, thats what happens when you're losing a debate

So in closing, nobody here (out of the 3 or so posting) have really made a rationale reason for why Paul's comments were inaccurate. Aside from naive in response and claims of not answering questions, which I think if you actually research more than 2 articles you'd get your answers. So folks over 40 seem to believe business would be racist or bias without government declaration, even though there is only one 'real world' example in the last two decades. If one business equates to all businesses in your mind, I understand why you believe that the government must be involved to clean house. We also discovered that some people can't distinguish between small government and total anarchy

[Krimson X]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Wow, so now you've changed business into physical assault.....logic train just left the station, thats what happens when you're losing a debate

So in closing, nobody here (out of the 3 or so posting) have really made a rationale reason for why Paul's comments were inaccurate. Aside from naive in response and claims of not answering questions, which I think if you actually research more than 2 articles you'd get your answers. So folks over 40 seem to believe business would be racist or bias without government declaration, even though there is only one 'real world' example in the last two decades. If one business equates to all businesses in your mind, I understand why you believe that the government must be involved to clean house. We also discovered that some people can't distinguish between small government and total anarchy

I ddn't loose, and my logic is just fine. My hypothet was based on your premise, and that of Rand Paul, of less government intrusion. But I guess your positions are only applicable in certain situations (libertarian purists believe that the only legitimate function of government is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breech of contract, and fraud (is this what you mean by limited government?)). What I was attempting to show you is how much chaos it would be in the world if we took the libertarian approach to government.

Dude, you do not even understand the history of the party to which you espouse its principles. The Libertarian party was founded under the principles of anarchy by members who questioned whether government should exist at all. Do some research. You'll surprise yourself...again by what you don't know.

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?

The traditional answer
Libertarians want severely limited government and anarchists want none.

The humanist answer
Libertarians are nonviolent; some anarchists are violent.

The funny answer
Libertarians are to anarchists as nudists are to naked people.They're just middle class & organized so they appear less crazy.

The Party answer (from Andre Marrou)
An anarchist is an extreme libertarian, like a socialist is an extreme democrat, and a fascist is an extreme republican.

The straight answer
Libertarians believe in free markets, private property, and capitalism. Anarchists who believe in these things usually call themselves libertarians.

[Quicksilver]

What I found entertaining was Rand Paul's insistence on not
answering questions about the comments he made.

Originally Posted by Wagner

Now back on topic if you'd care to understand Paul's comments in more than a sound-byte:

Paul Remarks Have Deep Roots - WSJ.com