Gerald Celente 10/19/2012

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by JCL

Let's take this one step at a time.

You said that those that care about the constitution consider communism and tyranny a big deal. That is what I characterized as your belief system.

I didn't say what you wrote above. I said "BTW, those topics you mentioned are big deals...for those that care about the Constitution, tyranny, communists, gun confiscation, etc."

It's all inclusive. That each one of those topics in of itself is a big deal. You've attempted to pull another one of your manipulation tricks and twist or turn what I wrote.

The color that you painted Hagmann with your "broad brush stroke" implies he's another conspiracy theorist... ""They are coming for your guns", "The plan to destroy Israel", "The Islamic Threat", "Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", and lots of references to big government, tyranny, the constitution, coverups, more tyranny, communists, the elite, and so on.
It all sounds very familiar."

Right, it all sounds very familiar...another "nut job", "conspiracy theorist", right? You said this in post #6 "While Celente doesn't come across very well, Alex Jones, by way of comparison, comes across as a nutcase."

You are on the attack...with practically everything I say or when I post content. You're attempting to manipulate what I say and it's meaning.

Shouldn't you ask for clarification before belittling me when you say "What is it like to believe that you are the only one in the room that is right?" This obviously implies that I'm delusional.
Seems like it's OK when you imply something and yet...even when I don't make an implication...I get attacked personally.

JCL, I truly don't mind the negative comments on the subjects I post...it's when it becomes a personal attack that I want to lash back. Sadly, I have reverted to some ad hominems. I'm not proud of that...but a human can only take so much personal abuse. You and blktoptrvl made this about anything but the original content of what Celente said in the interview.

I'm asking you nicely to stop writing your sniping remarks about me personally.

This is supposed to be a forum for entertainment...not personal bashings.

Also, there's actually some content that might be posted just for some info...which is why this thread was started.

Either stay away from me and my threads or learn to stop with the personal attacks and make it about the content.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

I didn't say what you wrote above. I said "BTW, those topics you mentioned are big deals...for those that care about the Constitution, tyranny, communists, gun confiscation, etc."

It's all inclusive. That each one of those topics in of itself is a big deal. You've attempted to pull another one of your manipulation tricks and twist or turn what I wrote.

Fine. Take out tyranny and gun control from my explanation, and substitute "they are coming for your guns" and Obama's citizenship. I don't think those are important. You say that if I cared about the constitution they would be important to me. Ergo, I don't care about the constitution. See? Same argument. Follow the logic. It isn't manipulation. I just take your arguments and illustrate the inconsistencies. I am not attacking you, just the ideas.

The color that you painted Hagmann with your "broad brush stroke" implies he's another conspiracy theorist... ""They are coming for your guns", "The plan to destroy Israel", "The Islamic Threat", "Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", and lots of references to big government, tyranny, the constitution, coverups, more tyranny, communists, the elite, and so on.
It all sounds very familiar."

Right, it all sounds very familiar...another "nut job", "conspiracy theorist", right? You said this in post #6 "While Celente doesn't come across very well, Alex Jones, by way of comparison, comes across as a nutcase."

Yes, he sounds like a conpiracy theorist. Agreed. That was my point.

Either stay away from me and my threads or learn to stop with the personal attacks and make it about the content.

I will endeavour to focus my comments on your points and arguments and not appear to belittle you. It would be easier for me to comply with that if you cut the Alex Jones nonsense. I am not calling you delusional. Just him. Rightly or wrongly, we are known by the company we keep. If you used more neutral sources for your references, it may not feel so much like persecution.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by JCL

Fine. Take out tyranny and gun control from my explanation, and substitute "they are coming for your guns" and Obama's citizenship. I don't think those are important. You say that if I cared about the constitution they would be important to me. Ergo, I don't care about the constitution. See? Same argument. Follow the logic. It isn't manipulation. I just take your arguments and illustrate the inconsistencies. I am not attacking you, just the ideas.



Yes, he sounds like a conpiracy theorist. Agreed. That was my point.



I will endeavour to focus my comments on your points and arguments and not appear to belittle you. It would be easier for me to comply with that if you cut the Alex Jones nonsense. I am not calling you delusional. Just him. Rightly or wrongly, we are known by the company we keep. If you used more neutral sources for your references, it may not feel so much like persecution.

JCL, when I wrote "BTW, those topics you mentioned are big deals...for those that care about the Constitution, tyranny, communists, gun confiscation, etc."...I didn't write that ABOUT YOU...I wrote that because those issues can be important to those that might seek out the Doug Hagmann's of the world...get it now? While you might not like his content...there are those that probably do!


I think there's a way to attack info that you disagree with while leaving out the personal jabs.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

JCL, when I wrote "BTW, those topics you mentioned are big deals...for those that care about the Constitution, tyranny, communists, gun confiscation, etc."...I didn't write that ABOUT YOU...I wrote that because those issues can be important to those that might seek out the Doug Hagmann's of the world...get it now? While you might not like his content...there are those that probably do!

I am sure they are, but that has never been disputed. I asked why you implied that all people who care about the constitution care about those issues. You still haven't acknowledged that there are many who may care about the constitution who don't think your list of topics is important. You are trying to make it about my beliefs, which are irrelevant to this particular question. Those were illustrative examples. Substitute any name you like.

The core question was about appearing to have a lock on certain beliefs. That sounded like moral superiority.

It is like the claims that if one doesn't support a particular position, one isn't an American, or is a socialist, or is a communist.

If you followed the logic perhaps you wouldn't feel the need to bang your head against a brick wall.

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by JCL

I am sure they are, but that has never been disputed. I asked why you implied that all people who care about the constitution care about those issues. You still haven't acknowledged that there are many who may care about the constitution who don't think your list of topics is important. You are trying to make it about my beliefs, which are irrelevant to this particular question. Those were illustrative examples. Substitute any name you like.

The core question was about appearing to have a lock on certain beliefs. That sounded like moral superiority.

It is like the claims that if one doesn't support a particular position, one isn't an American, or is a socialist, or is a communist.

If you followed the logic perhaps you wouldn't feel the need to bang your head against a brick wall.

And yet this continues?
You stated the following in POST #37 " No chance of subjecting myself to an Alex Jones video, but just for laughs I went and read Hagmann's site.

"They are coming for your guns", "The plan to destroy Israel", "The Islamic Threat", "Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", and lots of references to big government, tyranny, the constitution, coverups, more tyranny, communists, the elite, and so on.
It all sounds very familiar."

You belittled the positions on his site that you visited for "laughs" and found..."The Islamic Thread", Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", "big Government", "tyranny", "the constitution", "coverups", "more tyranny", "communists", "the elite", "and so on". "It all sounds very familiar."

Implies crazy psycho conspiracy stuff.

Those topics are a big deal to those who care about them. I'm not implying moral high ground with the statement or anything else...just that each and every topic is a big deal to those that care about them.

If someone doesn't care about the Constitution..it's probably not a big deal to them.
If someone doesn't care about tyranny, it's probably not a big deal to them.
If someone doesn't care about Obama's social security card...it's probably not a big deal to them.
If someone doesn't care about cover ups...it's probably not a big deal to them.
If someone doesn't care about communists...it's probably not a big deal to them.
If someone doesn't care about big Govt....it's probably not a big deal to them.

Those seeking information about the topics you list as conspiracies...are nonetheless important topics to other people who may wish to make a big deal out of them.

NO JUDGEMENT FROM ME


If anyone is being judgmental or trying to appear like you're standing on moral high ground...it's you! You consistently judge what is real truth and what it conspiracy, nonsense, etc.

I have just one question for you JCL...is there ever more than one truth?

[JCL]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

I have just one question for you JCL...is there ever more than one truth?

At the physical level, no. Obama is an American or he isn't. Your drinking water is being poisoned by fluoride or it isn't. Etc.

In logic, no. Some of your frustration above appears to originate in this area.

At the spiritual level, of course.

At the philosophical level, yes.

I think some of the amusement about Alex Jones and his ilk is how he takes facts and constructs a narrative to make it appear that there are two truths when in fact the second "truth" is dependent on accepting his artificial construct.

All IMO, and off the top of my head.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

You belittled the positions on his site that you visited for "laughs" and found..."The Islamic Thread", Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", "big Government", "tyranny", "the constitution", "coverups", "more tyranny", "communists", "the elite", "and so on". "It all sounds very familiar."

Implies crazy psycho conspiracy stuff.

All of those topics have some validity. Islam is a great topic. Obama. Government. The constitution. Communism. Gun control. Don't forget climate change. Fluoride. Drug companies. Cancer cures. Homosexuality. Marriage. And especially marriage between same sex partners.

But when you construct a narrative that always includes them, presented in a particular way, and without much regard for the facts, then yes, it all sounds very familiar. The narrative, that is.

I don't think I called it "crazy psycho conspiracy stuff" though, that was your phrase. But that is part of the narrative too, that there is an "us" and a "them" .

[rebound]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

And yet this continues?

You belittled the positions on his site that you visited for "laughs" and found..."The Islamic Thread", Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", "big Government", "tyranny", "the constitution", "coverups", "more tyranny", "communists", "the elite", "and so on". "It all sounds very familiar."

Implies crazy psycho conspiracy stuff.

If anyone is being judgmental or trying to appear like you're standing on moral high ground...it's you! You consistently judge what is real truth and what it conspiracy, nonsense, etc.

If you get out of bed looking to be insulted, I guarantee you'll be successful.

Lighten up, Francis.

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by rebound

Lighten up, Francis.

That's the fact jack!!!

Love that movie!

[rebound]

Originally Posted by tynashracing

Either stay away from me and my threads or learn to stop with the personal attacks and make it about the content.

Let's be clear - this is a public website that you don't own. You don't get to make the rules.