What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Guys, don't fret. When the Dems retain the House, get a majority in the Senate, and take the White House it will be their turn to violate the Constitution and civil rights. Then we can start a "what is wrong with X" thread for that.

I weep that there are supporters of either party in their current forms. Neither wants to do what is best for the country.

It's interesting that you guys continue to think in terms of political parties instead of personal choices.

Categorizing someone as either party without getting a definitive answer from him/her is similar to judging someone solely from the color of their skin or their cultural background.

Like I said before, this is not the right way to argue a point. You don't classify people into a particular political party just by their response to a particular politician.

I don't think of BC as just a democrat nor do I think of EOD as just a republican.

I read their posts and respond accordingly. I don't assume that they're going to respond a certain way just because I think they are pro dems or GOP.

At least I bear that in mind when I think it through.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It's interesting that you guys continue to think in terms of political parties instead of personal choices... At least I bear that in mind when I think it through.

I'm not arguing any point. Other than that the parties are broken for the reasons bcredliner mentioned above, which I totally agree with. Between the extremes controlling gov't, the extremes controlling social media, and the extremes controlling main stream media our gov't is in gridlock.

My response was not to label anyone party-line voting Democrats (or Republican) though I can see how it could be taken as such. It was to point out that no matter how much we all get our panties in a bunch over how big a moron Trump is, or how corrupt he is... the next administration might only be marginally better. Nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Increase revenue (taxes) and decrease spending (gov't waste and social spending). Either party suggesting either of those paths is committing political suicide, so we have quagmire. A downward spiral following the path of republics who have come before us.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I'm not arguing any point. Other than that the parties are broken for the reasons bcredliner mentioned above, which I totally agree with. Between the extremes controlling gov't, the extremes controlling social media, and the extremes controlling main stream media our gov't is in gridlock.

My response was not to label anyone party-line voting Democrats (or Republican) though I can see how it could be taken as such. It was to point out that no matter how much we all get our panties in a bunch over how big a moron Trump is, or how corrupt he is... the next administration might only be marginally better. Nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Increase revenue (taxes) and decrease spending (gov't waste and social spending). Either party suggesting either of those paths is committing political suicide, so we have quagmire. A downward spiral following the path of republics who have come before us.

You are most likely right. But this system, though subpar at the moment, has endured for the last 200+ years. That's about as long as most of the monarchy before it. As a republic I think the greek and rome before cesar would not necessarily fare better.

Afterall, we have the examples set by thousands of years worth of history lessons before establishing this one.

But like all good things, it must end eventually.

How much longer is anybody's guess.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I'm not arguing any point. Other than that the parties are broken for the reasons bcredliner mentioned above, which I totally agree with. Between the extremes controlling gov't, the extremes controlling social media, and the extremes controlling main stream media our gov't is in gridlock.

My response was not to label anyone party-line voting Democrats (or Republican) though I can see how it could be taken as such. It was to point out that no matter how much we all get our panties in a bunch over how big a moron Trump is, or how corrupt he is... the next administration might only be marginally better. Nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Increase revenue (taxes) and decrease spending (gov't waste and social spending). Either party suggesting either of those paths is committing political suicide, so we have quagmire. A downward spiral following the path of republics who have come before us.

Your points are well taken. Sidebar-I don't think I can stand another administration that is only marginally better that this one. Comedians have so much material to work with from this administration they may be OK with a similar administration-sidebar ends. Political suicide is certainly a major factor hindering unpopular decisions. I do think some of the hard decisions are addressed when the House and Senate majority and President are of the same party.

I remember a couple of other times I felt this same doom and gloom. I don't recall shockers and outrageous behavior on almost on a daily basis but bad things usually fade over time. In previous turning points the majority of Americans ultimately endorsed the right direction for the country. I think that will happen again but I don't think that will be soon since there is so much anger in the division of the country that we can't get past.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

In previous turning points the majority of Americans ultimately endorsed the right direction for the country. I think that will happen again but I don't think that will be soon since there is so much anger in the division of the country that we can't get past.

I am right there hoping with you. *fingers crossed*

I'm just worried that social media and the MSM (and our education system) has dumbed the average citizen to the point of being incapable of seeing the forest from the trees. I used to be very optimistic but as time has gone by I am much more cynical towards our politicians (and voters) and their policies.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I am right there hoping with you. *fingers crossed*

I'm just worried that social media and the MSM (and our education system) has dumbed the average citizen to the point of being incapable of seeing the forest from the trees. I used to be very optimistic but as time has gone by I am much more cynical towards our politicians (and voters) and their policies.

I share your concern. It seems like a longer way back than other times.