What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Giving those employees money directly (in many cases more than their employment would pay), negates that problem.

That's the most rediculous thing.

You're pessimistic because you think it's all about corruption and waste.

It's actually more about keeping the massive amounts of small and medium businesses alive so the economy won't crumble.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It's actually more about keeping the massive amounts of small and medium businesses alive so the economy won't crumble.

If the majority of Americans have money in their pockets, usually more than they would have before the pandemic, the economy would not crumble. Spending would go up. Renters would not be hurt because tenants could pay. There are so many positives. You're not thinking this through.

Businesses open and close everyday. Under all circumstances. BTW, if I was a business owner (retail, restaurant, etc) in an industry that was affected by the lockdowns. I would have closed immediately, moved all inventory to storage, broke my lease, filed business closure with the city. I wouldn't have borrowed a dime from the PPP or anyone and would live off of my savings (and/or get another job). Reopen (if it made sense financially) after the pandemic was under control.

Originally Posted by Maruzo

Your way will breed more homeless, where as the PPP program helps to keep these people employeed.

I disagree. And I'm a conservative when it comes to spending.

Wait until the rent moratorium ends, then we'll see how much the PPP has contributed to the homeless population and the costs to cities to deal with it.

Edit: sorry eviction moratorium, not rent.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

If the majority of Americans have money in their pockets, usually more than they would have before the pandemic, the economy would not crumble. Spending would go up. Renters would not be hurt because tenants could pay. There are so many positives. You're not thinking this through.

Businesses open and close everyday. Under all circumstances. BTW, if I was a business owner (retail, restaurant, etc) in an industry that was affected by the lockdowns. I would have closed immediately, moved all inventory to storage, broke my lease, filed business closure with the city. I wouldn't have borrowed a dime from the PPP or anyone and would live off of my savings (and/or get another job). Reopen (if it made sense financially) after the pandemic was under control.



I disagree. And I'm a conservative when it comes to spending.

Wait until the rent moratorium ends, then we'll see how much the PPP has contributed to the homeless population and the costs to cities to deal with it.

You forgot to mention that many of these people will not have a job to go back to while they continue to receive government handouts.

Once the money dries up, and it will quickly dry up, they will not have a job to go back to.

Businesses does open and close everyday.

But the economy is driven by these businesses, not the people.

Businesses keep people employeed.

And economy will crumple without the support of massive number of businesses proping it up.

Your way is actually more socialist in thinking, and mine more Republican.

What??

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

You forgot to mention that many of these people will not have a job to go back to while they continue to receive government handouts.

Once the money dries up, and it will quickly dry up, they will not have a job to go back to.

Businesses does open and close everyday.

But the economy is driven by these businesses, not the people.

Businesses keep people employeed.

And economy will crumple without the support of massive number of businesses proping it up.

Your way is actually more socialist in thinking, and mine more Republican.

What??

That irony was not lost on me. I chuckled a bit.

Other businesses will open up in place of those that close. I agree employees will not have the same jobs to come back to in many cases.

Some businesses are hiring more than ever, Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc. Online retailers and such. In fact, I think those companies are the larger threat to businesses than anything else.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

That irony was not lost on me. I chuckled a bit.

Other businesses will open up in place of those that close. I agree employees will not have the same jobs to come back to in many cases.

Some businesses are hiring more than ever, Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc. Online retailers and such. In fact, I think those companies are the larger threat to businesses than anything else.

True. Changes in the business landscape comes due to necessity. The prosperity of these online business actually means much less good jobs for the people.

They end up getting lousy warehousing jobs as a result. Long hours, easily replaceble because it requires much less specific skill sets.

Since the software and the algorithms took care of most of the sales rep's jobs, along with a few other jobs that people will no longer be able to find.

Many people will be without jobs without PPP helping to keep their companies afloat. That is pretty plain to see.

This pandemic is actually fast tracking the replacement and removal of many traditional jobs that people holds because the online business is taking them away.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

True. Changes in the business landscape comes due to necessity. The prosperity of these online business actually means much less good jobs for the people.

They end up getting lousy warehousing jobs as a result. Long hours, easily replaceble because it requires much less specific skill sets.

Since the software and the algorithms took care of most of the sales rep's jobs, along with a few other jobs that people will no longer be able to find.

Many people will be without jobs without PPP helping to keep their companies afloat. That is pretty plain to see.

This pandemic is actually fast tracking the replacement and removal of many traditional jobs that people holds because the online business is taking them away.

A free jobs training program is needed to gain new skills so the unemployed or those living at the poverty level will be qualified for higher paying jobs. A focus on improving the infrastructure such as roads and bridges would also be beneficial for higher paying job creation. With COVID 19 infections so high funding for small business would be better when the curve has been on the downturn for a couple of weeks. Restrictions are going to get tighter as the spikes continues to go higher so customer base may not be enough to make a profit.

Online businesses are going to dramatically increase and delivery features of so many small and even large businesses will not likely go away. Unless it is necessary business owners will not want to invest in brick and mortar locations. The result will be the need for less employees. That will negatively impact low paying jobs and a fair number of those of middle management.