What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

For herd immunity to be effective 70+% of US citizens would have to be vaccinated. That is a long way away if it will ever get there. Even at 70% it is still necessary to follow the guidelines. In addition, there are residual aftereffects of the virus that will cause longterm health problems for a significant number of people. So yes, following the guidelines is vital to getting the virus under control.

I believe for Herd Immunity to be effective 70+% of the population must have the antibodies in their system. In other word 70+% that survive has the antibodies in their system. The people that don't survive are not counted as part of that 70+%.

[Maruzo]

I rather be proactive in doing everything I can to not become infected.

Even if you eventually recover and develop antibody, the long term damage to your lung may very well be done already.

Not willing to take that risk. Better safe than sorry later on in life.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by upallnight

I believe for Herd Immunity to be effective 70+% of the population must have the antibodies in their system. In other word 70+% that survive has the antibodies in their system. The people that don't survive are not counted as part of that 70+%.

That and the Antibodies generated after infection don't tend to hang around for long, leaving you susceptible to reinfection. That's why the vaxx is a must have if you are able to get it.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by upallnight

I believe for Herd Immunity to be effective 70+% of the population must have the antibodies in their system. In other word 70+% that survive has the antibodies in their system. The people that don't survive are not counted as part of that 70+%.

Herd immunity achieved by vaccination is a better way; the preemptive way. We're in a battle against the unseen enemy and fighting it proactively is much better than passively defending it as it continues to infect us.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by upallnight

I believe for Herd Immunity to be effective 70+% of the population must have the antibodies in their system. In other word 70+% that survive has the antibodies in their system. The people that don't survive are not counted as part of that 70+%.

It is not known how long the antibodies from recovered COVID 19 patients are effective so including those that have recovered may not be relevant. Early studies have shown effectiveness may only be a few weeks. So those that have antibodies are not a part of the 70%. There were some that promoted allowing people in order to reach heard immunity. Currently about 23.5 million have recovered. If 70% was the number that means another 200 million would have to recover from the virus. That would mean 10s of thousands more would die before we got there.

So far experts are saying the vaccine is equally effective on the mutations but those new variations have been more contagious. That could also change. Many states are yet to establish enough inoculation sites or are at limited capacity. Fauci has increased the percent to 75-85% and suggested it may take as high as 90% as it did for measles. The point being no one knows for sure.

With all the unknowns the best and quickest course of action to get back to the new normal is still to follow the guidelines and consider all else to be helpful but not the panacea. The guidelines have proven to be effective since the beginning, months before the virus was even in the US. But millions choose to believe otherwise, don't know any better or think not wearing a mask or not following the guidelines is symbolic of support for Trump or mistakenly believe wearing a mask makes them look weak.

IMO, getting back to a new normal will be at least midyear 2022.