333,000 Babies Aborted in 2011

[TerminatorX5]

do you want a hollistic approach? when we resolve ALL issues at once? or, maybe, we deal with one thing at a time? Lets worry about the kids, that already alive... then, move our worry to unborn kids...

the institution of marriage was established due to the fact that the human offspring takes a lot of resources and time to raise into an independent adulthood - unlike cats, or dogs, or whatever, the humans usually do not litter and dump them in a 6 months... to raise a kid, you need two, that is why a man was "forced" by society to take care of the woman that he inpregnated. it was called marriage... that is why it was considered to be a "bad" woman to have a baby outside of wedlock... many cultures were like (not counting a small tribe in Nepal, where there is matriarchy) that, the birth of male-centric society... it was necessety...

that marriage institution is broken now - people live as BF/GF and have no "need" to get married... as a matter of fact, in VA, it is illegal to have sex unless you are doing it with your spouse... so, 50-80% of adult population in Va lives in violation of the law... lol...

we can't afford having babies that are abandoned, we can't have underground abortion clinics - the ban on abortion will bring us to that... a lot of abandoned orphans, and a lot of girls that die due to unqualified "medical" help... look at latin america - a lot of countries banned abortions... did people stop having sex? no... do they get pregnant? yes... do they have babies? yes... do they raise their own babies? not all of them - i do not have statistics, i can only go by what i saw on the streets - did not look too good... do they have abortions? yes, they do... it is more expensive, much riskier but it is still done... like the ban on pot stopped people from smoking... yeah, right... or, the prohibition... or the gun owners' argument, people will still have guns...

and besides, you keep talking about murdering... when a man spills his seed in vain, is it a murder? fishing using a worm, is it a murder? a worm has a beating heart... is a 3-day fetus a human being?... there is point, where that entity becomes oficially a human, the birth... prior to that, that entity can survive outside of womb, around 7th month of pregnancy, on its own... around 5th or 6th month, the entity can survive with medical help... before the 3rd month - it is not survivable, unless we are willing to make babies in glass tubes...

the medical society should establish certain guidelines and adhere to them...

not the people like you or me, screaming moral, or immoral...

[tynashracing]

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

... there is point, where that entity becomes oficially a human, the birth...

Well, look what the medical community must be advocating now.

AlbertMohler.com – Something Deadly This Way Comes — “After-Birth Abortion”

[JCL]

When did two doctors become the entire medical community?

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by JCL

When did two doctors become the entire medical community?

they are advocating Sparta style infanticide - that crap will never gain anything other then some jail time for propaganda of murder

[TerminatorX5]

that is nonsense that will gain no traction - they just excercise their demagogycal skills... the point of no return should be the ability of unborn fetus to consistently survive without the support of womb - which happens around 5th month of gestation... dial back couple months just for added safety, and limit abortions at 12th week of gestation... when fetus is capable of self-sustaining its life outside of womb, as any newborn infant would have (no ventilators, no incubators, just normal baby care), from that point the abortion (partial-birth abortions) is a murder of a human being... prior to that, that thing is in the state of vegetable, it can be a life vessel, but the soul has no place to dwell, as there is no brain to occupy... no soul, no life...

[Quicksilver]

TerminatorX5......Just One question, When that statement "Under God" Was written, who or what god did the author/s have in mind?

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

TerminatorX5......Just One question, When that statement "Under God" Was written, who or what god did the author/s have in mind?

"Under God" was first added to the Pledge of Allegiance" locally (Chicago I think) in 1948. The pledge was officially amended until 1954.

[TerminatorX5]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

"Under God" was first added to the Pledge of Allegiance" locally (Chicago I think) in 1948. The pledge was officially amended until 1954.

indeed it has - i just looked it up in the wiki... so... in the 50-s there was an anti-communist hysteria with senator McCafney, or McCartney leading the way... anyone objecting to the word GOD would instantly be labeled as a communist, so, it is obvious that there was not much objections to the inclusion of the term...

I guess i need to pull the wiki again, before typing this...

[blktoptrvl]

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

indeed it has - i just looked it up in the wiki... so... in the 50-s there was an anti-communist hysteria with senator McCafney, or McCartney leading the way... anyone objecting to the word GOD would instantly be labeled as a communist, so, it is obvious that there was not much objections to the inclusion of the term...

I guess i need to pull the wiki again, before typing this...

Joe McCarthy - A disgrace to the US. Michele Bachmann tried to take up his mantle 4 years ago when she started accusing other Americans of being disloyal. It's amazing how many think that if you don't agree with them then you are not a "True" American.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl

It's amazing how many think that if you don't agree with them then you are not a "True" American.

Or that you are a foreigner.