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brian5 05-05-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 738844)
Krimson, eventually it had to happen :D

To all those that would toss Rights aside for Security, wow. Let me know how you'd feel about the following, because all could be done under the preface of 'security of the nation':

- Closing down the Internet
- Viewing your personal bank account and following your purchases
- Asking for a decleration of all your personal assets
- Asking for a list of all your family and relationships
- Reviewing all your phone calls or texts
- Putting cameras in every neighborhood
- Making your produce a rationale or purpose for traveling
- Checkpoint at state to state borders

and so on and so forth. Be careful what you're willing to "OK".

Ryan,

Good questions. Putting Security before Rights doesn't mean ANY of those items. In my case, I was just saying which comes first.

You're in IT (as I am). I am VERY aware of all the info that is available on the internet that most people think is private. I'm always amazed at what I can find out about somebody, some organization, etc. when I really want to. My point is that some of the items that you listed above is already accessible to a lot of federal organizations (and large companies).

We don't have the cameras like they do the UK and some other countries (and I hope that we never do). But should we have cameras at potential terrorist targets (Times Square, Grand Central Terminal, airports, etc.)? My answer is an emphatic yes.

Wagner 05-05-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by brian5 (Post 738860)
Ryan,

Good questions. Putting Security before Rights doesn't mean ANY of those items. In my case, I was just saying which comes first.

You're in IT (as I am). I am VERY aware of all the info that is available on the internet that most people think is private. I'm always amazed at what I can find out about somebody, some organization, etc. when I really want to. My point is that some of the items that you listed above is already accessible to a lot of federal organizations (and large companies).

We don't have the cameras like they do the UK and some other countries (and I hope that we never do). But should we have cameras at potential terrorist targets (Times Square, Grand Central Terminal, airports, etc.)? My answer is an emphatic yes.

I understand why you're saying and why you have that opinion, my question would immediately be: You honestly believe that politicians would stop there?

Soon it would be yes and we need every single federal building, then every local government building, then public areas and so on and so forth. Sadly our politicians simply are not that honest, sad I know.

I watched an Ex-CIA agent asked about the security and how we could protect ourselves, his response: we did. Observant civilians are far more effective than any surveillance equipment.

Viperfreak2 05-05-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 738877)
Observant civilians are far more effective than any surveillance equipment.

The problem with that statement is that some observers know the difference between a car in Times Square with smoke coming out, and a guy taking off his shirt and putting it in a bag.

I do not want people watching me any more than security cameras watching me.

I see people every day that I could question who they are and what they are doing.


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