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Wagner 05-04-2010 08:10 AM

Former Mayor Giuliani, unbelievable.
 
Quoted today saying -

"..privacy rights need to back down in favor of security"


F - U sir.

I can not believe he said this in the context of what just happened in NY. He wants more cameras with the capability to sense heat and look through trunks, wtf. Seems to me like CITIZENs did just fine. And I'm sorry, but you have to read a citizen their rights, regardless of their actions. There is actually a debate over how fast he should be Marandized. Are we kidding?

E61Silver 05-04-2010 08:27 AM

As a honest US Citizen I have nothing to hide and think that increased security measure are necessity to keep us safe. We are at war and need to realize that. I think that the former mayor is correct.

The cameras in NYC help capture the suspect before he could leave the country. It explains why NYC has become tough about window tinting. Driving a car on the street is not a right but a privilege.

blktoptrvl 05-04-2010 09:21 AM

Revoking privileges is one thing; but there are these things called rights, that a lot of people seem to just want to toss in favor of a little more "security." Even worse, some people do not know the difference between a right and a privilege and are willing to let it all go just so they can feel a little safer.

Saying that you are an "honest citizen" and are wiling to trade rights for safety is just fine, until you have no rights to lose.

Just how many of your rights are you willing to toss just to sleep a little better at night. Which of your rights can we come take away right now so that you will feel safe enough to walk the streets?

Krimson X 05-04-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 738516)
Quoted today saying -

"..privacy rights need to back down in favor of security"


F - U sir.

I can not believe he said this in the context of what just happened in NY. He wants more cameras with the capability to sense heat and look through trunks, wtf. Seems to me like CITIZENs did just fine. And I'm sorry, but you have to read a citizen their rights, regardless of their actions. There is actually a debate over how fast he should be Marandized. Are we kidding?

Hell has frozen, and pigs are flying because...I agree with Wagner.:wow: Privacy is one of the most fundamental rights in America. Apparently, Giualini is not well versed in the Constitution or Supreme Court rulings on the right to privacy.

Dannyell 05-04-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 738516)
Quoted today saying -

"..privacy rights need to back down in favor of security"


F - U sir.

uck U sir ...there now I agree :D

Mr.Black 05-04-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blktoptrvl (Post 738537)
Revoking privileges is one thing; but there are these things called rights, that a lot of people seem to just want to toss in favor of a little more "security." Even worse, some people do not know the difference between a right and a privilege and are willing to let it all go just so they can feel a little safer.

Saying that you are an "honest citizen" and are wiling to trade rights for safety is just fine, until you have no rights to lose.

Just how many of your rights are you willing to toss just to sleep a little better at night. Which of your rights can we come take away right now so that you will feel safe enough to walk the streets?

:iagree: can't pick and choose what they take away, and this lame brain idea that every bad thing that happens needs a new law or process behind it is ridiculous, how about these three letter agencies doing there job, there taking huge amounts of $$$ , yet the citizens are the ones giving up freedoms/privacy

......people think giving up these freedoms will stop anything are forgetting the high failure rate that the gov't continues to maintain regardless of what we give up

motordavid 05-04-2010 05:09 PM

Ex-mayorGiualianiGenius is just editing from the back row of the peanut gallery...
and, I bet one of his companies has fingers in the next bid(s) for additional
"security" in NYC and other major metro areas. He's become a high priced, loud mouth ho, imo.

Ibid what BigR, Blktoptrvl & KrimsonX said.

brian5 05-04-2010 05:32 PM

OK, I'll be the naysayer. I think that Security comes before Privacy rights.

After having met so many people who lost family and friends on September 11th, 2001, there is no way that I can accept that Privacy comes before Security...

Note that I am NOT saying that diabolical acts in the name of security, like those that have occurred all over the world for many years, should be accepted or tolerated.

nom3rcy 05-04-2010 05:48 PM

3 things:

1. No amount of security can stop a human's ability to find ways around it.

2. I would rather risk being blown up in the air than take my goddamn shoes and belt off at the airport and wait in lines for hours on end.

3. I cannot fathom willingly giving up privacy for a false sense of security.

Wagner 05-05-2010 10:04 AM

Krimson, eventually it had to happen :D

To all those that would toss Rights aside for Security, wow. Let me know how you'd feel about the following, because all could be done under the preface of 'security of the nation':

- Closing down the Internet
- Viewing your personal bank account and following your purchases
- Asking for a decleration of all your personal assets
- Asking for a list of all your family and relationships
- Reviewing all your phone calls or texts
- Putting cameras in every neighborhood
- Making your produce a rationale or purpose for traveling
- Checkpoint at state to state borders

and so on and so forth. Be careful what you're willing to "OK".


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