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X5 M wins..
I received my January Car and Driver and there is a comparison with X5M, Cayenne Turbo S. Land Rover Sport Supercharged and Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8.
Well The X5M won the comp. They achieved 4.0 seconds to 60 mph using Launch Contol. Only huge gripe were the front seats. That might be my only gripe as well. Why not a unique M sport seat in the X? I like the BMW Sport seats fine and they are a great seat but would have loved the vertical support of the seat out of the M3 or M5. Even the comfort seats with the electric side bolsters. Good to have a winner though.. |
That was coming. :)
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4 seconds?!?!!? thats a first...
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:iagree::iagree::iagree: The LR/RRS and the Jeep would not have ever been in the hunt. And BMW would have benchmarked the X5M against the Cayenne Turbo S anyway... A no-brainer, but at least C&D didn't screw it up |
Wow! Typical of BMW to understate their figures. Amazing... I want one! Wish I waited a bit, but was in a rush to buy another car for tax purposes.
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does anyone have a link to the article? i want to read it but i'm not subscribed to car & driver anymore...
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I just picked up my X5M yesterday - how did you get the January issue already? I am a subscriber and don't have it yet - where can I read this article!
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I believe in the US you can only get confort seats with the active/vent seat package. As far as I know M sport seats are standard equipment in the M3 and M5/M6.
As for the January issue not sure how I got it so quick just got it in the mail. Its not posted on the C&D website yet. I really appreciate how this vehicle can be two completely different cars. More comfortable and pleasant to drive than my '08 E70 4.8 sport but when in M mode is an absolute monster. Love it.. |
I'd just like to point out two things..
1) Black X5M's are the fastest. 2) My particular X5M is faster than all the other black ones. peace. |
Now i'm really curious to know how the E53 LM would compete in this mix... :D ...
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I think my roof rails are slowing mine down... |
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B-Lines is the fastest because it is the ONLY one with aluminum trim.
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4 seconds flat?
woah. |
Actually, I was referring to the skill of the driver..
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I just bought the magazine and read the test. For those that want to know: C&D lets X5M win but...
Cayenne Turbo S 0-60 and 0-100 mph is only 0.1s slower and 0.3s faster 0-130mph. Cayenne Turbo S top speed 177mph vs X5M 158mph (limited) Cayenne Turbo S skidpad 0.91g vs. X5M 0.89g Cayenne Turbo S braking 70-0mph 158ft vs. X5M 162ft So the Cayenne appears to be a slightly faster car in practice (e.g. on a track) than the X5M. The reason the X5M gets first place is not performance based but based on better cargo space, better exterior styling, better transmission, and lower price. FYI: I own a 2008 E70 X5 4.8i and my father owns a 2009 Cayenne Turbo S. I drove his car on the Autobahn and my personal impressions of the Cayenne Turbo S are: + extremely powerful + extremely stable and almost no wind noise at 140+ mph + very good finish (no plastic creaks like E70 X5) - small and dated interior - dated exterior |
See for yourself...
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too bad I didn't allow for one of these in my budget this year.
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Herr B makes some good points. I recently drove the Turbo S and X5 M back to back and my take is a bit different:
Both cars feel extremely powerful and stable (Atlanta traffic does not allow 140 mph speeds unfortunately). The BMW comes across as more fresh and updated in terms of Interior and especially Technology. The Turbo S exterior is more masculine, handsome, and captivating. It has a bit less storage space but it's a hot look. For the money it's hard to consider the Turbo S. Since a total redesign will come out in the Spring you would think Dealers would aggressively try to move them off their lots. They are not. |
One of the German mag tested the X6M and as usual they have used Hokemheim track as part of the test. The time from the X6M certainly is slower than the CTT S.
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You can read on Porsche forums members talking that "X ///M is getting its 15 minutes of fame till the next Cayenne numbers are released".
BMW will definitely have an edge on the price point. |
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Fair points. You didn't mention the turbo lag on the 'S' - which I found inexcusable. The price delta cannot be explained beyond the Porsche badges. |
4.0 sec flat!! That's supercar territory! Never mind sport sedans like the M5 or E55 AMG, there are lots of 'sports cars' that can't do that...
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Tell ya what though: FOR $50,000 less, I WILL GLADLY TAKE THE X5///M !!:D |
Stan, I fully agree with you. My post was meant to explain the topic title (X5M wins) with some more detail. From a price/performance point of view I would also prefer the X5M. I wish they had make it a bit more aggressive looking though, the combination of painted bumpers & flares with the wheels make it look less aggressive than my 'standard' E70 with sports package, aerokit, and 21" 215's...
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I Respect what BMW have achieved in this class...But IMO Porsche is still the benchmark in the SUV division...just like the BMW M3 in it's class.
Don't get me wrong, Id take the M over the Cayenne any day...but thats just me...there are plenty of people who would rather get the Jeep/RR/Porsche for the same reasons that any of us would get the M. |
I know what you mean.
The X5 was meant to be extremely competent but more so when compared to Lexus. Porsche's SUV from the start one upped BMW and set the standard. The TurboS and the X5M are so close in Performance and Comfort that for me it came down to styling technology and price. Porsche won the first but BMW clearly took the last two. |
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Length of time really has nothing to do with it, Look at Ford and Toyota.. I'm with you, the engine, suspension and brakes were far more entertaining on my GTS compared to my e70 4.8. But the M blows that way. IMO.... I do agree though that it will be a battle between the two with every remake. Same battle goes on between the Camry and the Taurus. Not likley I will be returning to Porsche anytime in the future outside a Carerra S. |
I think the next PC will be based on the Q5. It is a lot smaller than the current Cayenne. With the weight reduction, and the same horsepower, it should be one fast mutha. I love back and forth battles like this! It makes both products stronger.
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It's a total shame the X M's don't have active seats. I love the active side bolsters in my M5. Even my wife loves that feature.
Was there a reason? Too costly? |
I can't imagine it cost too much more for BMW to offer that seat. What $50 a seat? At least it should be offered in comfort seats as an option for $1200 like other e70's.
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Comfort seat is an option. In fact in Australia, it's a no cost option I believe. I opted for the standard M-seat. Hope I won't be disapointed.
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