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Tony@SMS 06-30-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043075)
Yeah Chris, mine is not coded (or programmed) yet either. I bought a new FRM3 from BMW.
My halos work.
The left side lowbeams, high beams and halos work, but no amber running lights or turn signals.
All right side functions work except high beams.
This is the weird part... since I swapped the FRM, the window switches and mirror switches are reversed, meaning that the left side switches operates the right side functions and vise-versa????
I'm hoping that autologic will fix that too.

My truck is still in the paint shop and the mechanic shop wants everything put back together (PDC sensors, etc) before he attempts any programming or coding, so it will likely be Monday before anything happens



:/


Autologic will correct all that once coded and updated,don't wait long b/c you can fry your FRM.

Gixxerboy63 06-30-2015 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony@SMS (Post 1043114)
Autologic will correct all that once coded and updated,don't wait long b/c you can fry your FRM.

Ohhhh no!. Some of the info Im geting scares me. I hate hanging out here in limbo while Im waiting for my bumpers to be painted. This should have been done three weeks ago.

Chris F. 07-01-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043133)
Ohhhh no!. Some of the info Im geting scares me. I hate hanging out here in limbo while Im waiting for my bumpers to be painted. This should have been done three weeks ago.

Remember that your FRM isn't being used while the body shop does their work, the truck is just sitting without any modules on (well, there are some modules on, but not many haha). You'll be OK.

I called a shop that has an Autologic but no return call yet. Could very well be out on vacation.

Chris

UCrewX5 07-01-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1043241)
Remember that your FRM isn't being used while the body shop does their work, the truck is just sitting without any modules on (well, there are some modules on, but not many haha). You'll be OK.

I called a shop that has an Autologic but no return call yet. Could very well be out on vacation.

Chris

I had my FRM recoded remotely by Ram at [email protected]

Chris F. 07-01-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UCrewX5 (Post 1043243)
I had my FRM recoded remotely by Ram at [email protected]

Yes, trying to avoid purchasing a new FRM and just having Autologic tool do it. However, I may have to bite the bullet and dump another $375 into this project, we'll see.

Chris F. 07-02-2015 03:20 PM

OK....the latest update in the LED saga :rofl: :rofl: Can this project just be DONE so I can enjoy my car?! Good grief.

So I get down to a BMW/Mini mechanic down by the shore in CT and he is highly well-known for BMW modifications and projects, and he also has a Autologic tool. Great!

I called him this morning and he was kind enough to say "stop on down around Noon" and so I hopped in the car and took the hour drive to his shop. A very nice shop, well organized, you can tell he is good at his craft.

So we plug in the Autologic tool (which, BTW, did you know they manage all the programming and coding for BMW, which is how they get away with selling this $18k tool?) and we follow Tony's screenshots (thanks Tony!) and it gives a huge red warning about updating the FRM. We get by that and try to update the module.

Wellllll the Autologic tool has to be updated, so we go ahead and do that (Tony, does the Autologic tool get its updated BY VIN to do this?) and we finally get that sorted out after 45 minutes.

We then try again and this time the tool won't read voltage, gear selection, etc.....UGH!! So we call Autologic, they say clear any codes in the car and it will be fine. So we do that, and finally update the FRM. We obviously hooked up a commercial quality charger during this whole process.

After updating the FRM we finally code the truck, and all seems to be well!

UNTIL the high beam errors come on - UGH! The low beams move slightly up, but no high beam activation. Something is up with my wiring. UGH!!

So I gave him $150 for two hours of his time (which I think was quite fair) and went on my way. I have to check the high beam wiring later tonight and see whats going on. Something has to be loose, as BOTH high beams do not work.

So the long and the short of this story is:

a) You can find a repair shop with an Autologic tool to update your FRM as long as your production date is 10/10 or after.

b) The Autologic tool will have to download an update to update your car, Tony can confirm if this is VIN specific or if the update will work on all cars :D

c) Clear all codes before attempting to program or code the FRM module

d) Double check your wiring or be an idiot like me and have to go back through your wiring :(

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-02-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1043351)
OK...Can this project just be DONE so I can enjoy my car?! Good grief!!!
Chris

I feel your pain, brother!

Mine has been out of service for 3 stinking' weeks now (was supposed to be three days). If it weren't for damn holidays and vacations, it would have been done already!
Be that as it may, I am going to get mine coded/programmed on Monday. My production date is prior to 10/10, so I bought a new FRM3.... hoping mine goes well. I really don't want to drive it until everything is coded/programmed and working 100%

Chris F. 07-02-2015 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043359)
I feel your pain, brother!

Mine has been out of service for 3 stinking' weeks now (was supposed to be three days). If it weren't for damn holidays and vacations, it would have been done already!
Be that as it may, I am going to get mine coded/programmed on Monday. My production date is prior to 10/10, so I bought a new FRM3.... hoping mine goes well. I really don't want to drive it until everything is coded/programmed and working 100%

I just went through my wiring... everything looks 100%.

What now? Bad headlights? Bad FRM? Bad computer modules in the LEDs?

SO many possibilities, not even sure what to think. It's summer, it's a bitch to work on these cars in the summer.

Maybe take it off the road and work on it in the Fall? Haha. I could definitely use a vacation from this car.

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-02-2015 07:09 PM

Damn... that is not what I wanted to hear!
Now, I will not be able do anything about this til until Monday, but worry...

Chris F. 07-02-2015 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043380)
Damn... that is not what I wanted to hear!
Now, I will not be able do anything about this til until Monday, but worry...

Where did you source your headlights from. Was it 'importsource' on eBay?

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-02-2015 08:12 PM

Yes it was. Why?

Chris F. 07-02-2015 08:22 PM

That's the same place I got mine...so I will be very curious to see if your lights are good and working 100%.

They had 5 or 6 pairs, I have no idea where they came from, but they are close to the Spartanburg factory so I am wondering if they got factory seconds or something.

Keep me posted. I will PM you my cell #...

Chris

Chris F. 07-02-2015 10:37 PM

OK folks, I don't mean to rain on this LED parade...BUT!

I just took the X6 out for a test drive with the coding - at least the low beams work, so I can sufficiently test them.

I am not impressed with the 'throw' of these LED lights.

Tony, Jeff, Gixxer, and others who will have these successfully installed - adjust the height of the throw on the lights themselves, they are aimed VERY low from the factory. There are two knobs on top of the casings for horizontal and vertical throw.

First, these lights are CONSTANTLY moving around at night -the slightest jerk of the wheel to the left and the right beam is doing its thing - it's actually quite neat, but with the beam so narrowly focused its a bit annoying.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't think this technology is 100% there yet. Once we get a powerful enough LED bulb that would allow the throw of light to be evenly distributed (much like a Xenon bulb), I will feel more comfortable with the technology. But to me this is a fancy toy.

I know I probably sound like I am being pretty harsh, but I expected a lot more from these lights than I just saw with my own eyes. Maybe if they were raised up a bit it would help - but given my high beam issues, I have to draw the line, chalk it up to a learning experience, be thankful it wasn't even more $$$, and walk away from the project and go back to Xenons.

OK, I'm done being a party pooper!

Your headlight snob,

Chris

P.S. You might ask if I would keep these lights if they worked. I probably would - I would not want to go through the hassle of swapping everything back, but given my issues and my higher expectations its time to throw in the towel.

Gixxerboy63 07-02-2015 10:57 PM

Sorry to hear this... everyone else says that LEDs are awesome, but I have never driven a vehicle at night with them. I'll be the first to admit that the xenons are really nice and I was a little reluctant to give them up. I still think the projector style looks better.... its almost like the reflectors behind the LED emittors look more like conventional halogen reflectors, but with leveling motors that move them, however I really wanted the cool new LED halos with the flat bottoms and the narrowed scowling look of the LCI headlights....

Chris, let me get mine figured out and hopefully I will be able to shine more light on this subject.
(No pun intended)
Hopefully, we will get this all sorted out together.

We'll see..

Chris F. 07-02-2015 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043402)
Chris, let me get mine figured out and hopefully I will be able to shine more light on this subject.
(No pun intended)
Hopefully, we will get this all sorted out together.

We'll see..

I agree the headlights are definitely an eye catcher. They are VERY well designed, and I have no doubt BMW put a lot of engineering into them (that $2k factory option cost is there for a reason). I am just disappointed in the output of the beams. The pattern is just very 'blotchy' and not even like a Xenon output.

OK I am going to shut-up, because my ranting isn't helping the bottom line here. I am hoping, fingers crossed, you are good to go on Monday.

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-03-2015 12:08 AM

I thought they were supposed to have a crisp cutoff... even more so than Xenon. On the shop wall with Xenons on the right and LED on the left, there was a noticable difference. Yours must be an aiming issue. Mine were opposite of yours: Mine were projecting nearly 8 feet high up on the wall! I though someone had either dropped them or something else was wrong with them, but I was finally able to adjust them to where the beam cutoffs were even with the xenons..

UCrewX5 07-03-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1043400)
OK folks, I don't mean to rain on this LED parade...BUT!

I just took the X6 out for a test drive with the coding - at least the low beams work, so I can sufficiently test them.

I am not impressed with the 'throw' of these LED lights.

Tony, Jeff, Gixxer, and others who will have these successfully installed - adjust the height of the throw on the lights themselves, they are aimed VERY low from the factory. There are two knobs on top of the casings for horizontal and vertical throw.

First, these lights are CONSTANTLY moving around at night -the slightest jerk of the wheel to the left and the right beam is doing its thing - it's actually quite neat, but with the beam so narrowly focused its a bit annoying.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't think this technology is 100% there yet. Once we get a powerful enough LED bulb that would allow the throw of light to be evenly distributed (much like a Xenon bulb), I will feel more comfortable with the technology. But to me this is a fancy toy.

I know I probably sound like I am being pretty harsh, but I expected a lot more from these lights than I just saw with my own eyes. Maybe if they were raised up a bit it would help - but given my high beam issues, I have to draw the line, chalk it up to a learning experience, be thankful it wasn't even more $$$, and walk away from the project and go back to Xenons.

OK, I'm done being a party pooper!

Your headlight snob,

Chris

P.S. You might ask if I would keep these lights if they worked. I probably would - I would not want to go through the hassle of swapping everything back, but given my issues and my higher expectations its time to throw in the towel.

Chris - I have to say that my LED headlights don't act the same. Mine are VERY bright (much more so that Xenons) and they don't constantly move around. They are adaptive with the steering wheel, but react very gradually the way I think they should.

I'm wondering if it may be a footwell module issue. I bit the bullet and installed the latest revision from the get go.

Chris F. 07-03-2015 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UCrewX5 (Post 1043456)
Chris - I have to say that my LED headlights don't act the same. Mine are VERY bright (much more so that Xenons) and they don't constantly move around. They are adaptive with the steering wheel, but react very gradually the way I think they should.

I'm wondering if it may be a footwell module issue. I bit the bullet and installed the latest revision from the get go.

That is what I am wondering too. Not sure what to think?? UGH!

What I really need to do is check the White/Green and White/Blue wires, that go to each light respectively, and see if I'm getting voltage. Those are the newly run High Beam wires for the LEDs.

I'll try to get a video over the weekend of my LEDs in action. It's bizarre.

Chris

Chris F. 07-03-2015 04:00 PM

Gixxer, were the circular openings on the back of your headlights tampered with? You would know by the little tabs on the circular covers. Mine had definitely been opened.

Gixxerboy63 07-03-2015 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1043476)
Gixxer, were the circular openings on the back of your headlights tampered with? You would know by the little tabs on the circular covers. Mine had definitely been opened.

Nope. Mine looked brand new.

Chris F. 07-04-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1043484)
Nope. Mine looked brand new.

OK, that may be part of my issues then. We will see!

Chris

Chris F. 07-04-2015 11:58 AM

Just an update to the group - I raised these headlights up quite a bit last night, and they are now WAY BETTER than before - the factory really keeps them very very low.

Of course, the $64M question now is what is up with my headlights?

Apparently the high beam is run off the FRM, at least according to Tony (need to confirm that). The White/blue and White/Green wires run the high beam. I am wondering if I can check voltage coming out of the FRM of these two wires? I'll need to check with him before I destroy any modules.

Please keep your fingers crossed for me. This is so frustrating.

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-04-2015 02:58 PM

Hang in there dude, you'll get it figured out.

Chris F. 07-06-2015 10:15 AM

Keeping my fingers crossed for you today!

Gixxerboy63 07-10-2015 08:44 PM

Still sorting this out, but getting closer.
My service tech discovered new information regarding retrofit kits. The instructions I was originally working from is dated 5/2012, yet the latest revision occurred in 2014 and includes a wiring harness with 5 branches at the headlight connectors (X13420 & X13421) instead of 4. In cars without SA524 (ADAPTIVE CORNERING FOG LIGHTS/ not adaptive headlights), this revision utilizes all of them. The best news is that this revision no longer requires a FRM module replacement!

I will try to acquire the latest revision and post it here once I know that mine will be finished, coded and working perfectly.

Chris F. 07-12-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1044306)
Still sorting this out, but getting closer.
My service tech discovered new information regarding retrofit kits. The instructions I was originally working from is dated 5/2012, yet the latest revision occurred in 2014 and includes a wiring harness with 5 branches at the headlight connectors (X13420 & X13421) instead of 4. In cars without SA524 (ADAPTIVE CORNERING FOG LIGHTS/ not adaptive headlights), this revision utilizes all of them. The best news is that this revision no longer requires a FRM module replacement!

I will try to acquire the latest revision and post it here once I know that mine will be finished, coded and working perfectly.

Interesting stuff, very curious about this.

The odd things is that Tony, Jeff and others have got this working with the original harness we used, so something is amiss....

All I know is that I want my expensive headlights to work properly on my expensive car :D

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-12-2015 03:25 PM

^Agreed!

UCrewX5 07-13-2015 08:27 AM

I have the E71 X6M, so I do not have fog lights on my vehicle. Thus, the "ADAPTIVE CORNERING FOG LIGHTS" wouldn't apply in my case.

Chris F. 07-13-2015 11:32 AM

I can confirm, despite the fact that I don't have high beams right now, that the wiring in the LED retrofit for "524 - Adaptive Lights" worked for my X6 WITH fog lights, as the fogs turn on when you turn the steering wheel at slow speeds as expected.

I am waiting for Tony to return back to his shop on Wednesday, in hopes to get the LED wiring diagram so I can see if I'm getting 12V to the high beams. If I'm not, I know something is up with the FRM and I'll order a new one.

Otherwise, something may be up with the lights, and then I have an expensive decision to make.

Chris

X5INGH 07-13-2015 02:17 PM

5 Attachment(s)
OK so I took my harness out to have a quick look before installation and I seem to have the new updated harness with 5 wires on the headlight ends. Note the FRM end now has 6 wires in total.

Not checked off the colours on old instructions, but I'm eager to see the updated instructions now, hopefully Tim gets them soon!

Chris F. 07-13-2015 08:45 PM

I have the updated instructions, I just need Jeff to help me with attachments, we have a 800kb limit here and the instructions are 1.7MB....

NOTE that the additional wiring in the instructions, which is Black/Green (pin 7 on headlight) and Black/Blue (pin 7 on other headlight) - I have NO IDEA what they do, and others have used the older harness without any issue. ???????

What IS interesting is that these updated instructions note the following:

"The footwell module must be exchanged on cars built before 10/09 and ALL cars built after 10/09 without SA 2VA".

Option 2VA is Adaptive Drive...

Check your VIN at BMW Model Archive · BMW VIN Decoder · bmwarchive.org

I checked a X6M and it appears it has option code 2VA...adaptive drive. DOUBLE CHECK YOUR VIN!!! :)

This COULD be my problem with regards to no high beams...which is why Tony had no issue as he has option 2VA...Jeff has 2VA...and 330ZHP has 2VA...you guys are all Mmmmmmms. :D

Anyway, I still find it bizarre that Jeff, 330ZHP, and Tony have their LED's working without the 'updated' wiring. I am at a loss on that one!

I feel like I'm in a soap opera with my car.

Chris

X5INGH 07-14-2015 05:08 AM

Hi Chris,

Can you upload the new instructions to https://www.sendspace.com please?

My car is a 2008 so therefore I purchased the newest/latest FRM3 (61359342897)

Little strange why last few retrofits everyone seems to have an issue or another... hope i'm not going in that boat!

Thanks!
Am.

Chris F. 07-14-2015 07:54 AM

I have no idea what the additional wiring does, as Jeff, 330ZHP and Tony used the old wiring and have not had any issues.

The FRM is a very 'touchy' module, have to be careful with it.

Chris

X5INGH 07-14-2015 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1044657)
I have no idea what the additional wiring does, as Jeff, 330ZHP and Tony used the old wiring and have not had any issues.

The FRM is a very 'touchy' module, have to be careful with it.

Chris

Thanks Chris :thumbup:

I'll get the wiring plumbed in and hopefully get the headlights installed in next couple days. Will report back!

Chris F. 07-14-2015 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1044661)
Thanks Chris :thumbup:

I'll get the wiring plumbed in and hopefully get the headlights installed in next couple days. Will report back!

Don't forget you have to code the FRM....

Chris

UCrewX5 07-14-2015 01:12 PM

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Here is the updated retrofit document on a direct download from Xoutpost

X5INGH 07-14-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1044672)
Don't forget you have to code the FRM....

Chris

Yes I have friend taking care of that, really hoping to get it done this week.

Chris F. 07-15-2015 07:40 AM

So there has been a whirlwind of information the past couple of days. I don't want to steal Gixxerboys thunder :D but between the two of us we finally have this retrofit hashed out.

You almost definitely need a new FRM. I think Tony was the only one who was able to use his previous FRM, and I have no idea why.

BMW's updated instructions state that if you have the 2VA (Adaptive Drive) option on your truck, you don't need to replace the FRM. Well, that's baloney, as Tim (Gixxerboy) just had to replace his. Like me, he had everything working EXCEPT high beams. I think the older FRMs simply don't have the circuitry to support the high beams, end of story.

Long story short: Don't believe BMW's instructions for the FRM.

We also do not know what the additional wiring (blue/green, blue/black) does in the updated instructions. Everyone elses headlights are working without issue, so what these wires do are beyond me, and given that I cut the pins off the wiring to shrink wrap them and hide them, if my setup works, I won't be going back to run these additional wires.

My new FRM is expected to arrive Friday (7/17) and hopefully I will get it coded the week after. I will keep everyone posted.

Then, hopefully my LED soap opera will be over :)

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-17-2015 07:47 AM

Link to revised LED Retrofit instructions:

http://www.xoutpost.com/attachments/...x5m-e71-x6.pdf

Side by side comparison of my newly equipped LED headlight X5M to my buddies Xenon equipped X5M....
LED headlights certainly updates the front end.
http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/533/1...f51f6ffd_c.jpg

I will post pictures of comparison shots with lights on in various modes once I figure out how to photograph them properly.
:dunno:

Chris F. 07-18-2015 02:36 PM

Those lights look bad ass with the Space Gray (? - am I right) paint.

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-18-2015 04:17 PM

Indeed it is!

X5INGH 07-19-2015 05:17 PM

Harness ran, but few things. Mine is a RHD car. Regular Bi-Xenons. So the FRM Modules on the right side, and ground ring, A14 on the instructions connects to X1108 which of course is on the left side. So I'll have to find my own earth.

I haven't been to check as its night time here. Are my Left and right colors for wires ends at the headlights now in reverse order?

I.e.
A1-A5 are on my left headlight
A15-A19 on my right headlight.

That's still OK or is this going to get ballsed up!??

Beam angle isn't of concern atm, I believe we can sort that.. but I wonder if RHD harness part number is different to LHD? Hopefully someone has the answer!

Chris F. 07-20-2015 12:56 AM

You are just sending power wires to each headlight - it should not matter, it's not like one headlight would ever 'shut off' completely. You should be FINE with the instructions as-is.

Chris

X5INGH 07-20-2015 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045223)
You are just sending power wires to each headlight - it should not matter, it's not like one headlight would ever 'shut off' completely. You should be FINE with the instructions as-is.

Chris

OK i'm going in!
:thumbup:

X5INGH 07-20-2015 08:09 AM

More progress. Headlights are now in and mounted, wired up and they work minus high beam.

Will get FRM3 in along with FRM wiring shortly and add the fuses. They look incredible!

Chris F. 07-20-2015 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045232)
More progress. Headlights are now in and mounted, wired up and they work minus high beam.

Will get FRM3 in along with FRM wiring shortly and add the fuses. They look incredible!

My updated FRM3 arrives today, hoping to get it coded tonight.

Fingers crossed I can finally end this project!!

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-20-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045232)
More progress. Headlights are now in and mounted, wired up and they work minus high beam.

Will get FRM3 in along with FRM wiring shortly and add the fuses. They look incredible!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045233)
My updated FRM3 arrives today, hoping to get it coded tonight.

Fingers crossed I can finally end this project!!

Chris

Awesome news guys! The new FRM should clear everything up for you.
I absolutely love mine.
:thumbup:

X5INGH 07-20-2015 12:56 PM

OK so I have finished wiring in the FRM3 and installed fuses.

Here's what's happening.

The LED rings no longer light up. When they do they flicker.
Low beam works.
High beam doesn't work.
Amber running light works.


So with older FRM everything worked minus high beam and amber running light.

I notice on my existing FRM pins I had some cables already in the slots where the instructions asked for pin 3 and pin 37 to have A8 and A9 connections. So I removed the existing wires and taped them up.

I suspect I won't know much till coding is done, but with mine being X5 35D the wiring is little different?

Chris F. 07-20-2015 08:15 PM

New FRM arrived today and is now installed. I am t-minus 15 minutes until coding...fingers and toes crossed everyone!!! This has been one hell of a long project.

Chris

Chris F. 07-21-2015 12:21 AM

HIGH BEAMS WORK!!!!

The moral of the story is...unless you have a 2013 or 2014 car, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE FRM module.

BMWs directions are completely useless with regards to FRM replacement. Just replace the damn thing and don't waste time and money like I did.

I used the old LED wiring from the old retrofit instructions, it works great.

THIS PROJECT IS FINALLY DONE....on to enjoying the car!

Chris

X5INGH 07-21-2015 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045305)
HIGH BEAMS WORK!!!!

The moral of the story is...unless you have a 2013 or 2014 car, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE FRM module.

BMWs directions are completely useless with regards to FRM replacement. Just replace the damn thing and don't waste time and money like I did.

I used the old LED wiring from the old retrofit instructions, it works great.

THIS PROJECT IS FINALLY DONE....on to enjoying the car!

Chris


:excited: yay!

Out of interest how is everyone proceeding with there coding, Autologic? NCS Expert? INPA?

Gixxerboy63 07-21-2015 09:47 AM

:iagree::tgif:

Gixxerboy63 07-21-2015 09:48 AM

Autologic all the way.

Chris F. 07-21-2015 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045314)
:excited: yay!

Out of interest how is everyone proceeding with there coding, Autologic? NCS Expert? INPA?

I initially went down to an Autologic shop because the BMW instructions said you could update the software in the FRM, so I thought I could be smooth and save $200... :rofl:

Even BMW has no clue with these FRM modules. The reality is that ONLY THE NEWER FRMs HAVE THE CIRCUITRY TO HANDLE THE HIGH BEAMS...

Ram at BMW/Mini Coding was awesome and got me hooked up last night - everything works 100%. He used NCS Expert. The new FRMs already have the LED software in them.

I would have gone back to my Autologic shop but they were 2 weeks out. Wasn't going to wait!

Chris

X5INGH 07-21-2015 10:14 AM

Sounds great. My coder hasn't done coding on one of these LED retrofits before but he's taken on plenty of other equally complex retrofits... so better I checked to see what route everyone took.

Oh, pics fellas we need some pics! :D

Chris F. 07-21-2015 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045335)
Sounds great. My coder hasn't done coding on one of these LED retrofits before but he's taken on plenty of other equally complex retrofits... so better I checked to see what route everyone took.

Oh, pics fellas we need some pics! :D

If you are going to an Autologic shop, Tony posted some pictures back in this post about the screens to go through for coding.

If you hire someone to do it, you'll need a programming cable and someone who knows what they are doing :)

Chris

X5INGH 07-21-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045339)
If you are going to an Autologic shop, Tony posted some pictures back in this post about the screens to go through for coding.

If you hire someone to do it, you'll need a programming cable and someone who knows what they are doing :)

Chris

Yes my coder is well sorted in that area. He doesn't have Autologic but couple laptops geared for different things.. I also have a laptop with NCS Expert with EDIABAS cable, we've done some remote coding in the past and it's been fine. If I knew what to do I'd do it myself but as much as I am computer literate I just fail when I look at BMW coding for some reason :(

Chris F. 07-21-2015 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045342)
Yes my coder is well sorted in that area. He doesn't have Autologic but couple laptops geared for different things.. I also have a laptop with NCS Expert with EDIABAS cable, we've done some remote coding in the past and it's been fine. If I knew what to do I'd do it myself but as much as I am computer literate I just fail when I look at BMW coding for some reason :(

NCS Expert is a complicated program, I was tempted to learn it but due to time I said forget it.

Chris

Chris F. 07-21-2015 10:42 AM

BTW You are going to need a K/DCAN cable for the coding.

X5INGH 07-21-2015 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045348)
BTW You are going to need a K/DCAN cable for the coding.

Yup got one :thumbup:

If someone knows how to do step by step in NCS expert I'd be happy to give it a try.

Chris F. 07-21-2015 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045372)
Yup got one :thumbup:

If someone knows how to do step by step in NCS expert I'd be happy to give it a try.

Ping 330ZHP, he did it on his own, and perhaps he can post instructions so others can do this.

We should put a big CAUTION if we post the instructions though, people can easily 'brick' modules if they are not careful.

Chris

UCrewX5 07-21-2015 04:14 PM

So glad to hear that your headlights are finally working properly, Chris!! Congrats!

X5INGH 07-21-2015 04:58 PM

Coding completed. Everything works except the left side halo rings. So its gotta be wiring on the FRM3 i've done. They worked on the old FRM before I did wiring..

Just to confirm fellas, I followed the entire 'UPDATED' wiring instructions and wired as per 'Without SA 524' so I grounded the loop, and all 5 FRM end wires are connected.

Right side low beam - Works
Right side high beam - Works
Right side halo - Works
Right side amber running lights - Works

Left side low beam - Works
Left side high beam - Works
Left side halo - NOT working
Left side amber running lights - Works

Adaptive function - Works for both left and right.

--
Nearly there...

Chris F. 07-21-2015 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045404)
Coding completed. Everything works except the left side halo rings. So its gotta be wiring on the FRM3 i've done. They worked on the old FRM before I did wiring..

Just to confirm fellas, I followed the entire 'UPDATED' wiring instructions and wired as per 'Without SA 524' so I grounded the loop, and all 5 FRM end wires are connected.

Right side low beam - Works
Right side high beam - Works
Right side halo - Works
Right side amber running lights - Works

Left side low beam - Works
Left side high beam - Works
Left side halo - NOT working
Left side amber running lights - Works

Adaptive function - Works for both left and right.

--
Nearly there...

I think your coding is OK - check the fuses (did you put them in the right spot in the fuse box?) - also check the pins in there with a flash light to make sure you put them in the right spot where the fuses go.

Other area to check is headlight connectors themselves - did the pins pop out?

I believe those two 5A fuses that you added are for the halos. High beams work off the FRM.

Edit: I just noticed you said halos were OK with old FRM. Hmmmm, very odd. OK, check pins on FRM connectors to make sure nothing is amiss.

Chris

X5INGH 07-21-2015 05:50 PM

Yes just left halo.. 100% sure it will be wiring related.

Did anyone have to remove old FRM wires to install wiring harness pins? I had to on both connectors on the FRM. i.e. I took out a white/green (which I just taped up) on connector X14260 to install A8 which was also white/green, with much same on connector X14261 I took out white/blue (which I taped up) to install A9 which was also white/blue. IT didn't mention to remove these at all on the instructions... But I just followed instructions assuming that's how things are meant to be and maybe that my car was wired differently to begin with?

Chris F. 07-21-2015 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045413)
Yes just left halo.. 100% sure it will be wiring related.

Did anyone have to remove old FRM wires to install wiring harness pins? I had to on both connectors on the FRM. i.e. I took out a white/green (which I just taped up) on connector X14260 to install A8 which was also white/green, with much same on connector X14261 I took out white/blue (which I taped up) to install A9 which was also white/blue. IT didn't mention to remove these at all on the instructions... But I just followed instructions assuming that's how things are meant to be and maybe that my car was wired differently to begin with?

That is indeed strange, did you have halogen or Xenons to start?

The White/Green and White/Blue wires are for the high beams I believe, but am not 100% sure. So I am assuming you remove the outer casing on each FRM connector, removed the pin and popped the new ones in?

Can you friend try the coding again? Have you tried disconnecting the battery and then connecting it again?

If the halo's worked before, then something is definitely up. This is a new FRM, right? Perhaps its a bad FRM, as much as I hate to say it.

Chris

X5INGH 07-22-2015 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045415)
That is indeed strange, did you have halogen or Xenons to start?

The White/Green and White/Blue wires are for the high beams I believe, but am not 100% sure. So I am assuming you remove the outer casing on each FRM connector, removed the pin and popped the new ones in?

Can you friend try the coding again? Have you tried disconnecting the battery and then connecting it again?

If the halo's worked before, then something is definitely up. This is a new FRM, right? Perhaps its a bad FRM, as much as I hate to say it.

Chris

The car originally had Halogen, then retrofitted Bi-Xenons now LED AHL.

I've figured it out, was pin 50 on X14261 plug. I had to use old wire I removed and its now working!

I have a bunch of error messages though, but my coder believes its due to my car having had different wiring from the outset. Fog lights was originally on the car but now longer due to X5M bumper not needing them. I also get high beam flicker when I initally start up the car but goes after 2-3 seconds.

Otherwise it's working. My coder will work through the errors and get it figured. Overall its been a success!

:D

Tony@SMS 07-22-2015 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045305)
HIGH BEAMS WORK!!!!

The moral of the story is...unless you have a 2013 or 2014 car, YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE FRM module.

BMWs directions are completely useless with regards to FRM replacement. Just replace the damn thing and don't waste time and money like I did.

I used the old LED wiring from the old retrofit instructions, it works great.

THIS PROJECT IS FINALLY DONE....on to enjoying the car!

Chris


Awesome,good to hear you got working Chris.👌🏻👍

X5INGH 07-22-2015 10:12 AM

:thumbup::D


https://igcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.ne...87402513_n.jpg

Tony@SMS 07-22-2015 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045486)

Nice looking Ride,love the interior color.👌🏻

Chris F. 07-22-2015 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCrewX5 (Post 1045401)
So glad to hear that your headlights are finally working properly, Chris!! Congrats!

THANK YOU!!! :) It was a long journey :)

Chris F. 07-22-2015 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony@SMS (Post 1045465)
Awesome,good to hear you got working Chris.👌🏻👍

Thanks Tony!! Can't thank you enough for putting up with my texts and cries for help :) This was a stressful project between the headlights being used, FRM recalls from BMW, wiring updates....just thankful it all works now :)

Chris

Chris F. 07-22-2015 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045486)
:thumbup::D

LOVE THAT COLOR COMBO!!!

Double check that you removed Halogen and Xenon in the vehicle order, make sure LED is (552) is the only one there. Also check 520 and 524 are removed as you don't have those anymore (520 is fogs, 524 is adaptive piece for fogs)

Chris

Chris F. 07-22-2015 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045452)
I've figured it out, was pin 50 on X14261 plug. I had to use old wire I removed and its now working!

This is quite interesting as the replacement of pin 50 on X14261 plug was part of the NEW instructions, not the old instructions....so you basically reverted to the old instructions and all is well now.

Between BMWs issues with FRM advise and wiring, this definitely concerns me. Instructions need to be updated by BMW a THIRD time... :confused:

X5INGH 07-22-2015 02:09 PM

Yes your right, I tried few combinations and just went back to what I figured worked with old FRM. Low and behold it worked.

Edit: Coder did that with the Vehicle order. He has asked If we have to Change the car's production date and if yes the what should be used?

Thanks for everyone's help. I think this thread is going to be invaluable source for anyone looking to go with this retrofit. Hang in there if you are, its a fantastic upgrade!!

Chris F. 07-22-2015 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045514)
Yes your right, I tried few combinations and just went back to what I figured worked with old FRM. Low and behold it worked.

Edit: Coder did that with the Vehicle order. He has asked If we have to Change the car's production date and if yes the what should be used?

Thanks for everyone's help. I think this thread is going to be invaluable source for anyone looking to go with this retrofit. Hang in there if you are, its a fantastic upgrade!!

You received a brand new FRM, correct? If so, you should not have to change cars production date...but, I suppose it may be worth a try.

Chris

X5INGH 07-23-2015 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045554)
You received a brand new FRM, correct? If so, you should not have to change cars production date...but, I suppose it may be worth a try.

Chris

Yes brand new FRM3 with the all important orange sticker to signify that its not from the faulty batch..

Chris F. 07-23-2015 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045560)
Yes brand new FRM3 with the all important orange sticker to signify that its not from the faulty batch..

Yes yes! I was not sure if the orange sticker was a USA thing or not, sounds like it is global.

Perhaps it is worth a try to fit a newer production date, but tell me, when you start the car do you get any errors? If so, which ones?

What happens when you turn on the parking lights, and then low beams and high beams?

Chris

X5INGH 07-25-2015 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045581)
Yes yes! I was not sure if the orange sticker was a USA thing or not, sounds like it is global.

Perhaps it is worth a try to fit a newer production date, but tell me, when you start the car do you get any errors? If so, which ones?

What happens when you turn on the parking lights, and then low beams and high beams?

Chris

Hi Chris,

These are the errors when I start the car. Soon as I turn the lights on they all but vanish with only the fog lights and rear right reverse light error that remains.

So looks like my right rear reverse light is out, changed the bulb and still not working. I'm convinced that something isn't right with the wiring.

Also when I start the car the high beams flicker for 2-3 seconds.

Otherwise lights function perfectly.

330i ZHP 07-25-2015 03:54 AM

great looking

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045486)


Chris F. 07-25-2015 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1045764)
Hi Chris,

These are the errors when I start the car. Soon as I turn the lights on they all but vanish with only the fog lights and rear right reverse light error that remains.

So looks like my right rear reverse light is out, changed the bulb and still not working. I'm convinced that something isn't right with the wiring.

Also when I start the car the high beams flicker for 2-3 seconds.

Otherwise lights function perfectly.


Which wiring did you follow, the old instructions or the new ones?

Chris

Gixxerboy63 07-25-2015 11:16 AM

If you are changing the FRM, it really doesn't seem to matter which wiring diagram you go by. I used the latest wiring revision that also indicated that I could use my existing FRM.... NOT! My old FRM wouldn't code, so I ended up using the new one (with orange dot).

Mine are working 100% now.

I love my new LED headlights!
:woohoo:

Chris F. 07-26-2015 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gixxerboy63 (Post 1045782)
If you are changing the FRM, it really doesn't seem to matter which wiring diagram you go by. I used the latest wiring revision that also indicated that I could use my existing FRM.... NOT! My old FRM wouldn't code, so I ended up using the new one (with orange dot).

Mine are working 100% now.

I love my new LED headlights!
:woohoo:

I washed the car today and said, "I am so glad these friggin headlights work!"

:)

Honestly, I was almost resorting to plan B of putting the Xenons back in!

X5INGH 07-28-2015 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1045776)
Which wiring did you follow, the old instructions or the new ones?

Chris

Hi Chris,

New one. And followed instructions as per 'without SA 524' this meant on page 10 I had to disconnect wires from FRM plugs and move them around to different pins.

Chris F. 07-28-2015 08:18 PM

But your vehicle originally came with fog lights, correct?

330ZHP, Tim, Tony and Jeff - what wiring did you follow?

Chris

UCrewX5 07-28-2015 10:36 PM

I followed the original BMW wiring instructions, as the revised ones did not exist at the time that I did my retrofit.

Chris F. 07-29-2015 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCrewX5 (Post 1046090)
I followed the original BMW wiring instructions, as the revised ones did not exist at the time that I did my retrofit.

Did you do the with SA524 or without...

X5INGH 07-29-2015 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1046081)
But your vehicle originally came with fog lights, correct?

330ZHP, Tim, Tony and Jeff - what wiring did you follow?

Chris

Yes came with fogs and halogen lamps originally.

Gixxerboy63 07-29-2015 07:24 PM

2010 X5M - I followed the updated wiring and installed new FRM.
With SA524

UCrewX5 07-29-2015 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1046101)
Did you do the with SA524 or without...

I believe without

Chris F. 08-18-2015 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1046027)
Hi Chris,

New one. And followed instructions as per 'without SA 524' this meant on page 10 I had to disconnect wires from FRM plugs and move them around to different pins.

Quite curious, do you have any update? Did you figure out the issues?

Chris

X5INGH 08-18-2015 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1048185)
Quite curious, do you have any update? Did you figure out the issues?

Chris

Hi Chris

Nice of you to ask!

So, we have tried it several times to remove the fog light in the coding order. Still shows as error. Right side reverse light doesn't work, probably due to the wiring I removed in order to retrofit the lights. So i'll need to find out which wire was removed and replace it back in to original pin to see if effects LED headlights functionality.

High beam flashes/flickers for 3-5 seconds soon as you start the car too. Otherwise the headlights work 100% fine. Strange why I have all the issues but I suspect with my car being 2008, X5 35D with a complete X5M retrofit which originally came with halogens, my scenario is pretty unique.

I might have a look over BMW WDS to source the colour wire for reverse light and get that sorted first.

Oh, my headlight switch still has front and rear fog light so I'm not sure if that wants changing hence why the error shows for front fog lights? I was even considering putting the bulbs on the sockets behind the bumper and tying them back :dunno:

Chris F. 08-19-2015 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1048204)
Hi Chris

Nice of you to ask!

So, we have tried it several times to remove the fog light in the coding order. Still shows as error. Right side reverse light doesn't work, probably due to the wiring I removed in order to retrofit the lights. So i'll need to find out which wire was removed and replace it back in to original pin to see if effects LED headlights functionality.

High beam flashes/flickers for 3-5 seconds soon as you start the car too. Otherwise the headlights work 100% fine. Strange why I have all the issues but I suspect with my car being 2008, X5 35D with a complete X5M retrofit which originally came with halogens, my scenario is pretty unique.

I might have a look over BMW WDS to source the colour wire for reverse light and get that sorted first.

Oh, my headlight switch still has front and rear fog light so I'm not sure if that wants changing hence why the error shows for front fog lights? I was even considering putting the bulbs on the sockets behind the bumper and tying them back :dunno:

Who are you having assist you with coding? Jeff (UCrewX5) knows of a very good person who I also used in coding my vehicle, perhaps he could try and assist you as well?

Was your new FRM coded with the VIN of your car and vehicle order (without fog lights) was coded to the new FRM?

Yes I agree that your scenario is interesting. I almost would advise you using the older LED Retrofit instructions as most of us have used the older instructions without any issue.

You should definitely be able to de-code the fog lights without issue.

Chris

X5INGH 08-19-2015 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1048224)
Who are you having assist you with coding? Jeff (UCrewX5) knows of a very good person who I also used in coding my vehicle, perhaps he could try and assist you as well?

Was your new FRM coded with the VIN of your car and vehicle order (without fog lights) was coded to the new FRM?

Yes I agree that your scenario is interesting. I almost would advise you using the older LED Retrofit instructions as most of us have used the older instructions without any issue.

You should definitely be able to de-code the fog lights without issue.

Chris


My coder is very good. He does alot of retrofits but as he hasn't himself been involved physically with my retrofit he hasn't been involved with the wiring side of things. Yes my FRM was coded with the VIN of my car, he also tried it with newer date I believe and that also didn't work.

I will give old wiring a go today and report back :)

X5INGH 08-19-2015 12:32 PM

Quick update, got reverse lights working.

Everything works, apart from the errors of the fogs the high beam flicker when I start the car is only real annoyance.

Chris F. 08-28-2015 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1048268)
Quick update, got reverse lights working.

Everything works, apart from the errors of the fogs the high beam flicker when I start the car is only real annoyance.

Nice to hear things are getting better, very surprised the fogs are still emitting an error even when you coded them out, sounds like there may be more to the wiring setup than thought.

I know we went through this, but you followed wiring instructions for WITHOUT 524, adaptive cornering lights?

X5INGH 08-28-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1049174)
Nice to hear things are getting better, very surprised the fogs are still emitting an error even when you coded them out, sounds like there may be more to the wiring setup than thought.

I know we went through this, but you followed wiring instructions for WITHOUT 524, adaptive cornering lights?

Hi Chris,

Yes that is correct, without 524.

Lights are the least of my worries at the moment. Someone tried to break in and steal my car few nights ago :(

Going all out on security upgrade from Viper.

Chris F. 08-29-2015 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1049175)
Hi Chris,

Yes that is correct, without 524.

Lights are the least of my worries at the moment. Someone tried to break in and steal my car few nights ago :(

Going all out on security upgrade from Viper.

Very sorry on the break-in. What exactly are you going to do with the Viper? The X5M already has a very good security system with motion sensor. Are you going to add a proximity sensor?

Be very careful adding aftermarket gear to the chassis.

Chris

X5INGH 08-29-2015 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1049240)
Very sorry on the break-in. What exactly are you going to do with the Viper? The X5M already has a very good security system with motion sensor. Are you going to add a proximity sensor?

Be very careful adding aftermarket gear to the chassis.

Chris

The stock security system is foul. In UK/Europe the number of BMWs stolen is a BIG problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuLKormzWE4

Read more here.

BMW Stolen across the UK How To Secure Your BMW From theft with Key Cloning coping

The BMW security upgrade has been cracked within few months, surprised its not causing issues across the pond!

The system I have will immobilize the OBD and make it virtually impossible to steal other than physically moved. I'm also adding remote start and LCD fob with pager.

Chris F. 08-30-2015 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1049321)
The stock security system is foul. In UK/Europe the number of BMWs stolen is a BIG problem.

The BMW security upgrade has been cracked within few months, surprised its not causing issues across the pond!

The system I have will immobilize the OBD and make it virtually impossible to steal other than physically moved. I'm also adding remote start and LCD fob with pager.

I did some research, here is the deal (not to de-rail from LED lights, but this is interesting none the less)

"From the info that's been available here......it seems this is because this is largely a RHD issue (so Australia, NZ, South Africa, Japan and Cyprus could be affected though) in that BMW didn't re-design the security system, and specifically the interior alarm & break glass sensors for RHD cars, leaving a 'blind zone' on the drivers side of the car allowing the scum to access the OBD location more easily."

That is a total bummer. FYI, this only affected cards produced up to September 2011, and BMW issued a software update in the UK to deal with this. Cars produced after 9/2011 have the update.

Chris

X5INGH 08-31-2015 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1049431)
I did some research, here is the deal (not to de-rail from LED lights, but this is interesting none the less)

"From the info that's been available here......it seems this is because this is largely a RHD issue (so Australia, NZ, South Africa, Japan and Cyprus could be affected though) in that BMW didn't re-design the security system, and specifically the interior alarm & break glass sensors for RHD cars, leaving a 'blind zone' on the drivers side of the car allowing the scum to access the OBD location more easily."

That is a total bummer. FYI, this only affected cards produced up to September 2011, and BMW issued a software update in the UK to deal with this. Cars produced after 9/2011 have the update.

Chris

Hi Chris,

Good bit of information. I've had my Viper alarm installed today and so far so good. The installer says the software update for all BMWs even F Series here in the UK has already been cracked by these car jackers. They are very much on the ball, so it's pretty much essential to have additional security in place.

Went to see my coder, all headlight errors now rectified as is the flicker on start. We decided instead of remote coding just to meet up, My wiring was all good too so now mine is 100% sucessfull retrofit! :D

Chris F. 09-01-2015 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1049500)
Hi Chris,

Good bit of information. I've had my Viper alarm installed today and so far so good. The installer says the software update for all BMWs even F Series here in the UK has already been cracked by these car jackers. They are very much on the ball, so it's pretty much essential to have additional security in place.

Went to see my coder, all headlight errors now rectified as is the flicker on start. We decided instead of remote coding just to meet up, My wiring was all good too so now mine is 100% sucessfull retrofit! :D

FANTASTIC!! CONGRATS! :thumbup:

For the record and to help others, what exactly did you have to do - was there more coding to do or was it wiring? Some details would help others down the road.

FYI, folks are talking about putting a locking 'cap' on the OBD port, perhaps that is something to look into as well. Some are also just putting a 'switch' on one of the data bus wires going into the OBD so you can easily turn communication on and off (obviously hide the switch in a hidden place).

Chris

X5INGH 09-04-2015 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1049579)
FANTASTIC!! CONGRATS! :thumbup:

For the record and to help others, what exactly did you have to do - was there more coding to do or was it wiring? Some details would help others down the road.

FYI, folks are talking about putting a locking 'cap' on the OBD port, perhaps that is something to look into as well. Some are also just putting a 'switch' on one of the data bus wires going into the OBD so you can easily turn communication on and off (obviously hide the switch in a hidden place).

Chris

I'm not exactly sure but I will ask and report back on that.

Good idea on the OBD switch, I've relocated mine anyway.

X5INGH 09-10-2015 08:48 AM

http://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram....47446937_n.mp4

Viper alarm upgrade along with remote start :)

xk66 09-17-2015 09:22 PM

Hello Guys,

im from Germany and i have an important Question to you.
I want to retrofit the Adaptive LED Headlights on an normal e70 (non x5m)

The Headlights will not fit, i know. I need new fenders. Is it possible to use the normal x6 (e71) fenders? Or only the fenders of a X5m???

the x6 normal fenders looks like the same. the only missing thing is the M-Emblem on the Fenders.

X5INGH 09-18-2015 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xk66 (Post 1051404)
Hello Guys,

im from Germany and i have an important Question to you.
I want to retrofit the Adaptive LED Headlights on an normal e70 (non x5m)

The Headlights will not fit, i know. I need new fenders. Is it possible to use the normal x6 (e71) fenders? Or only the fenders of a X5m???

the x6 normal fenders looks like the same. the only missing thing is the M-Emblem on the Fenders.

X6 fenders will not fit on a X5. Whilst the X5m and X6/X6m share same hood, front bumper and lights the fenders line up differently.

You will need X5m fenders to make this retrofit work.

X5INGH 12-12-2015 08:26 AM

Hi Guys,

Been a while since I posted. Does anyone know if these headlights have a RHD specific switch inside? Can not find any information on this.

Otherwise is there a specific code to optimise them for RHD use?

Thanks.

Chris F. 01-14-2016 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1061510)
Hi Guys,

Been a while since I posted. Does anyone know if these headlights have a RHD specific switch inside? Can not find any information on this.

Otherwise is there a specific code to optimise them for RHD use?

Thanks.

There is no RHD switch. Depending upon the country of origin the lights may be adjusted by the factory. If you have diagnostic tools, you should be able to adjust - if not, there are manual knobs on the top of the headlight that you adjust using an allen wrench.

Chris

X5INGH 01-15-2016 06:34 AM

Hi Chris,

OK I'll give that a go. I did find out that there are different part numbers for LHD and RHD vehicles for the LED Retrofit head lights. I'll try the manual knobs for now and see if that gives me enough adjustment.

Thanks!

Chris F. 01-19-2016 12:22 AM

Yes, I noticed that too, I seem to recall in ISTA/P that there was an adjustment for RHD/LHD, ISTA/P being the dealership programming unit. I can't recall, you had your FRM all figured out, correct? I would try the adjustments first before messing with the FRM again :)

ehssan_alkhiyami 02-18-2016 07:52 AM

gentlemen ,

sorry if this question is already answered , tried searching but no luck .

I did the retrofit already as per the instructions + programming and coding ,

everything works as it should be , but I noticed that the angel eyes brightness doesn't change , it's always at full bright during DRL and with lowbeam on .

is it normal or something wrong during the installation .?

thank you

X5INGH 02-18-2016 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehssan_alkhiyami (Post 1069549)
gentlemen ,

sorry if this question is already answered , tried searching but no luck .

I did the retrofit already as per the instructions + programming and coding ,

everything works as it should be , but I noticed that the angel eyes brightness doesn't change , it's always at full bright during DRL and with lowbeam on .

is it normal or something wrong during the installation .?

thank you

Mine is the same, I suspect you can code the DRL to be brighter. If anything I find them too bright at night

ehssan_alkhiyami 02-18-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by X5INGH (Post 1069552)
Mine is the same, I suspect you can code the DRL to be brighter. If anything I find them too bright at night

i saw other LED X6 on the road with dimmed AE , so I'm not sure where is the issue , I tried tons of coding values but nothing worked .

i suspect the software version on the FRM has something to do with that .

Chris F. 03-05-2016 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ehssan_alkhiyami (Post 1069554)
i saw other LED X6 on the road with dimmed AE , so I'm not sure where is the issue , I tried tons of coding values but nothing worked .

i suspect the software version on the FRM has something to do with that .

That's exactly what it is - BMW most likely changed the software on the FRM so that they are full brightness day or night. Mine do the exact same thing. You have no issues :thumbup:

ehssan_alkhiyami 03-06-2016 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1071352)
That's exactly what it is - BMW most likely changed the software on the FRM so that they are full brightness day or night. Mine do the exact same thing. You have no issues :thumbup:

Unfortunately not exactly right Chris , from the time i posted my issue here i spent hell of time trying to figure out whats going on till i mangaed to put my hand on an X6M which came for tuning and it has LED from factory, the FRM has latest update ( ZB# 6801294 ) which is even newer than the software of the FRM3 that i installated for the LED retrofit , angel eyes are dimmed , so then i spent time looking at factory wiring diagram and compare it with the first and updated version of the retrofit documents posted on the forum , and here we go !!! . Wrong wiring diagram in the first version of the retrofit document . The update version has the right diagram which is identical to the factory diagram of FRM with LED headlights.

During the investigation earlier, i checked Dimming option with tool32 and it confirmed the FRM does dimm the right output of the Angel eyes ,

So finally i sent the car to the workshop who does the hardware and wiring installation to fix it , without any coding or programming after the rewiring fix everything worked as it should be .

If you or anyone else has this what i call it issue , just follow the updated document and your AE will dim with lights on .

Chris F. 03-14-2016 07:34 AM

Good to know, but for me I am not too concerned, the difference is minimal, but glad you got it resolved :)

X5INGH 03-14-2016 07:59 AM

Good bit of info! :)

ehssan_alkhiyami 03-14-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris F. (Post 1072153)
Good to know, but for me I am not too concerned, the difference is minimal, but glad you got it resolved :)

Exactly, but when you get a client paid a hell of money for this project, he wants perfection 😆

0-60motorsports 10-20-2018 10:32 AM

Excellent thread and info in here. Thanks guys. Just got my retrofit cable and right side headlight. Just need a right side headlight and will order the rivets and FRM3 once i find it. Cant wait to get these installed on my X5M.

wuga98 07-10-2020 03:53 AM

Led repairable?
 
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i have the led headlights in my x5m but one of the led is not working and is giving an error message "dipped beam right failure!". Can this be change instead of replacing the whole headlights?


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