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bmw540san 03-09-2015 09:47 AM
$75 for reinforcment plate bolts and nuts?
 
I have starter on order as I identified the start up noise as starter disengaging to late. It'dsdefinitely not the TC guides as I've listened to quite a few noises of those.

I've read number of postings stating that bolts are one time use and have to be replaced since they stretch after initial torque. I've also read some postings that set costs about $30 which is not even close to current price.

Qty 6 - 31101096987 - bolts
Qty 6 - 33306760587 - nuts

Well, they're about $75 for 6 bolts and 6 nuts and that's about the best price out there. I was wondering if anybody has found high grade bolt that'd would do for less money.

I like to follow manufactures procedure but that's 50% cost of actual starter and while I'll buy them if I have to, I was wondering if there is a different solution.

Thanks in advance for any info.

OptimusPriM5 03-09-2015 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bmw540san (Post 1029964)
I have starter on order as I identified the start up noise as starter disengaging to late. It'dsdefinitely not the TC guides as I've listened to quite a few noises of those.

I've read number of postings stating that bolts are one time use and have to be replaced since they stretch after initial torque. I've also read some postings that set costs about $30 which is not even close to current price.

Qty 6 - 31101096987 - bolts
Qty 6 - 33306760587 - nuts

Well, they're about $75 for 6 bolts and 6 nuts and that's about the best price out there. I was wondering if anybody has found high grade bolt that'd would do for less money.

I like to follow manufactures procedure but that's 50% cost of actual starter and while I'll buy them if I have to, I was wondering if there is a different solution.

Thanks in advance for any info.
Hey man I did this job last year and paid no where near the prices at the dealer now not sure why they have gone up so much...this is the PN I used which matches yours identically and taken from RealOEM. I usually save all my receipts and will verify but I did get them from the dealer for sure. Im guessing you can use the sizing in the description to match up the bolt but Ill leave that to the physics pro's on the site if it will work.

Ill also pull my records to see if I can find the prices I paid but think I was close to the $60-70 range IIRC.

04Hex bolt with washerM10X55631101096987$3.53
05Hex nut wiht flangeM10-10 ZNS3633306760587$0.78

bmw540san 03-09-2015 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OptimusPriM5 (Post 1029967)
Hey man I did this job last year and paid no where near the prices at the dealer now not sure why they have gone up so much...this is the PN I used which matches yours identically and taken from RealOEM. I usually save all my receipts and will verify but I did get them from the dealer for sure. Im guessing you can use the sizing in the description to match up the bolt but Ill leave that to the physics pro's on the site if it will work.

Ill also pull my records to see if I can find the prices I paid but think I was close to the $60-70 range IIRC.

04Hex bolt with washerM10X55631101096987$3.53
05Hex nut wiht flangeM10-10 ZNS3633306760587$0.78
There is no question they went up because I found your old prices when goggled the part# but when open any link it seems that everybody updated the prices to $11+ per each bolt.
I use this dealer and nobody touches their prices but even they come at $75 before shipping:
BMW Parts and Accessories

I'm not a cheapskate but I'm convinced I can find higher grade bolts and nuts than OEM for probably under $30 when bought form reputable online metric bolts store.

I suspect that astronomical price has something to do with limited stock quantities.

Thanks.

David.X5 03-09-2015 11:27 AM
The prices have gone nuts. They used to be $3-4 each, which was still pricey, but not worth the trouble of finding an alternative.

Those bolts are M10 x 55mm long. Grade 10.9. I think there is space for a slightly longer bolt - 60mm should be fine.

On McMaster-Carr, a M10 x 60mm flange-head cap screw in grade 10.9, Zinc plated to JIS standards, is $7.58 for 10. (part number 95735A661). This is 1.25 mm thread pitch, so you would have to pick a matching nut with the same thread pitch.

squidzilla 03-09-2015 11:38 AM
We have a bolt and nut supply place here in SLC Utah that I can buy those from. There nothing more than a bolt that meets a spec so you can buy those from anywhere that sells that spec of bolt. I think I was quoted about 10.00 for all of them or so.

Here is they are if you do not have a similar place near you. Maybe you can ask them to ship them to you.

Bolt & Nut Supply Co.: Homepage

bmw540san 03-09-2015 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by David.X5 (Post 1029983)
The prices have gone nuts. They used to be $3-4 each, which was still pricey, but not worth the trouble of finding an alternative.

Those bolts are M10 x 55mm long. Grade 10.9. I think there is space for a slightly longer bolt - 60mm should be fine.

On McMaster-Carr, a M10 x 60mm flange-head cap screw in grade 10.9, Zinc plated to JIS standards, is $7.58 for 10. (part number 95735A661). This is 1.25 mm thread pitch, so you would have to pick a matching nut with the same thread pitch.
That's exactly what is my plan. I suspected that 10.9 is plenty and I'm glad to see we think alike. While there are many occasions where following the OEM specs is the best way, this is clearly the case of extremely overpriced part.

I'm simply seeing no issues with using what you're suggesting and what I sort of had in my mind. It'd be a different story if the OEM bolts were some extremely precious material in astronomically high grade and exposed to extreme forces.

I'll check out the site you suggested. Thanks.

By the way, if anybody needs it, RockAuto has Bosch remanufactured starter with 2 year warranty for $140 shipped after discount. $65 for the core and after shipping back, total cost is probably around $150. I just bought mine there.

TiAgX5 03-09-2015 11:57 AM
These were around $20 when I needed them 2 yrs ago.

4 x price increase is unreal!

axgordon 03-09-2015 12:42 PM
The other option is to reuse old bolts. I expect many members here to disagree, but I asked few local BMW shops here in Maryland, and all of them just reuse these bolts. I reuse them myself after careful inspection. They assembled without a problem and I hope they will perform well is case of collision. By inspection i meant to check them the same way mechanics check head bolts - using caliper to insure that they were not stretched.

bmw540san 03-09-2015 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by axgordon (Post 1029998)
The other option is to reuse old bolts. I expect many members here to disagree, but I asked few local BMW shops here in Maryland, and all of them just reuse these bolts. I reuse them myself after careful inspection. They assembled without a problem and I hope they will perform well is case of collision. By inspection i meant to check them the same way mechanics check head bolts - using caliper to insure that they were not stretched.
My only concern with reusing them is that they're probably "tired" and more likely to snap, not necessarily during reinstalling but later on during driving. But, you just might be right about not worrying about them.

Just to play it safe I'll probably go with 10.9 grade M10X60 from Ace Hardware of all places. It's about $25 for 6 flanged bolts and 6 flanged nuts. I've checked online and some local places and $25 is about cheapest for 10.9 grade.

Obviously, I'll check first that 5mm extra is non to long but I'm almost certain that it's not.

ants_oz 03-09-2015 05:07 PM
It's not at all unusual for manufacturers to start upping the price on less-common spares as vehicle age increases. There is one very simple reason behind this tactic, and it's used world-wide....if the price goes up, people stop buying. If people stop buying, they don't have to stock anywhere near as many. And since by far one of the largest costs a vehicle manufacturer incurs is spares warehousing and distribution, they are "letting" consumers find other, cheaper sources for some parts.


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