What do you guys think about this Android HU?
Some shopping around I came across this version on alixpress:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...492de265a5.png https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...332f969e58.png Basically bigger screen and no buttons. I never liked the other one that basically looks like a tablet was glued on and another that you have to cut the dash and sits on top of the dash/ac vents. I hardly use the buttons on the mk4 navi only because you have to otherwise steering control does everything I need. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Looks good. Newer BMW looks like this. can you plz post the link for it to read the specs?
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So, this basically fit our cars (without NAVs) that doesn't require any cutting to the bracket? If so, I may go this route if and when the pixels get worse on my display.
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Somehow it's in Spanish and guess what that's my first language. So I read all the specification, and it looks pretty good. As for cars with DSP you need to buy the 6m cord that goes all the way to your trunk to make everything work. If I could, I would buy it, but I can't at the moment. But if any of you guys purchase it, please post your opinion on how it works and all.
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It does look way nicer.
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I like it! The posted link and their website is pretty confusing though. It would be nice to see a picture of what it looks like installed in an E53.
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Alright... whos going to be the Guinea pig?
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Hmmm.....this is something I would like to test. Just maybe not for a few months. I like the hardware/software specs, but hate how they are usually (always) exaggerated. Even with a quad-core, these things usually run like an old single-core. I hope this one is different. Sub'd for a tester. (If I don't end up getting one.)
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The RAM is very low indeed for an Android system - 2GB. Even the latest Eonon for E53 has 4GB.
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I like the button free feature of that unit actually- I wonder how the touch screen behaves with gloves on? |
Unless you have touchscreen gloves it won't respond
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I chose an 8 core 9" screen unit with 4GB for my E53. I'm at a bit south of 10k miles with it including a month-long road trip across the East coast and back. The unit is *not* flawless, but with this as my 3rd, I will suggest that none of them are flawless. But it's the best experience I have had across the 3 units, and most of that is a snappy response and the latest Android 8.0 OS I have seen on these. I'd like to see a unit like the OP with improved hardware and Android Pie. Until then, I'm happy to sacrifice a 9" screen over a 10" if it means octa core instead of quad core and 4GB instead of 2GB for about 10% more than this one. Though I do like the looks of the one in the OP. https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...55-custom-.jpg |
OK- I have taken a closer look at this thing and have decided I don't like the way they've laid it out. 1st, the buttons along the bottom of the unit take up valuable space.
So I got to wondering.. how much viewable screen area/resolution? I started with a close look at the screen from the OP: https://xoutpost.com/attachments/tes...dio-small-.pngAs I was playing with the questions I was looking for, I took a look at the specs and it's right there. The screen resolution is just 1024x480: https://xoutpost.com/attachments/tes...ion-small-.jpgSo what they've done is get us all hyped up over a 10.25" screen, but it actually offers *less* visible screen area/resolution than the 9" 'smaller' screen @ 1024x600. 8.0 was available this Spring as were the boards with 2x the specs. This one is a hard pass for me- perhaps even with the improved specs. Screen real estate and hardware specs is everything. https://xoutpost.com/attachments/tes...nx2-small-.jpg |
Prop, here's a better looking one. 1024x600 and it has 4gb RAM.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-8-0...7/263904862957 I am very tempted to try this one out. Especially Ebay's 15% off today. Brings the total to ~$356. |
I like the ui of the mekede better looks more oem.
Also I don't plan on watching movies and don't mind the lower screen resolution either so it doesn't look toooo modern inside the car lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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I do not see a single picture with the connectivity hardware/cables shown as included. The closest it comes to suggesting the cables are included is with a picture that says 'plug and play'. I'd feel better ab that with a picture of the back of the unit and the included cables. Also, the auction reads that steering wheel button control is 'supported.' That means to me that the device will 'support' it, but that the little canbus adapter may not be included. Looking further down in fact, I do see the canbus as 'optional'. They're asking a premium for these units not to ship the basic cables. All of this could be sorted with a quick question to the seller. I ran past the 15% coupon so I didn't pull the trigger. After so many of these things, I have enough extra cables that I could probably get a solid test in. |
I sure wish these sellers would have pics with the unit installed in the E53. And very good point about the gloves!
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I use a pioneer head unit that supports android auto. Do any of these support it ? I know it's strange to ask as it's a full blown android. Just want to know. Also with standard double din the angle of the screen is rather flat, so the glare is horrible. Is this different, it should be more verticle.
Another experience, I used to have pioneer app-radio, the capacitive touch screen peels bad when in hot weather climates. The higher end pioneer used resistive touch screen and does not have peeling issues, still support multi touch pinch and zoom. |
I currently own this and it absolutely fantastic and clean.
I hot spot from my phone daily and run Waze and Spotify. Plug and play. Did not need a wifi adapter, or additional antenna. It is literally a tablet that you have access to the Play Store to download apps etc.. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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I am torn, don't know which version to get!!!
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How is the viewing and and glare with that unit? Have either installed an ibus interface and app to be able to set the mid display values?
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All the Android HUs I have the glare is terrible. Can't see crap during sunny days.
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I use the iBus interface. It's far from perfect. For instance, I choose a time and date format different from US and my MID still shows US time and date formats. However, it is the best we have and it is miles above having no function or ability to set the time and date without connecting the old units. It is also VERY cool that we can now set our daytime lights to be what we want with iBus. The benefits far outweigh the little things I wish they did better. |
Well... I pulled the trigger on this:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-8-0...72.m2749.l2649
It was on sale for $419 and Ebay had 10% off yesterday so I ordered it and a bunch of other stuff for the install. Will let you guys know if it's any good once it gets here in 2 or 3 months. Ah shipping from China. I can say that it does not come with the 5m extension cable so I'll be making one myself. The listing is not clear about that but they emailed shortly after the purchase to inform me... and link to a listing of course. :rolleyes: |
WOW! Can't wait for you to install it haha
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They're all basically the same loaders and with the same hardware, performance differences should be negligible. The only real difference is the preferred screen size/physical format. |
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I wish, I wish there was an OEM looking unit, w/o the DVD drive, it's an obsolete media with a bigger screen oem is 6.5, Android is only 7". |
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This is a pic of my alarm application. I have scripts setup that I fire off when I am a couple streets from home. They set the thermostats, open the gate, and disarm the alarm. Those events trigger lights inside and out, so my house is well lit when I drive up with no waiting the gate/garage door. Very cool. |
So it's angled back correct?
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I have a similar version from Seicane that I would no recommend buying from due to the language barrier, lack of customer services and no US contact. Pictures follows:
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But after ~6 months including a month on a road trip, I can't recall the last time I worried about it. It upset me for the 1st week or two then I was able to navigate without really worrying about the glare since I know where stuff is on the unit. Having Waze on a 9" screen tell you where all the police are and what silly side roads will save you sitting in construction changed the way I road trip. I dare say I'd even subscribe to it. :yikes: |
There are times that I notice a glare but it is not a big deal.
Check the level of Android operating system. I think latest units are 8.0 for the latest features and benefits. If you have DSP be sure it is clear using DSP is plug and play. I had to make modifications. I found out that compatible with DSP does not mean it is plug and play. The Seicane solution was to put the original unit in the back and patch it into the wiring to get DSP to work. Unit works fine other than I have never been able to find a solution as to why it won't play DVDs and Seicane is absolutely of no help. They told me to take it to an audio shop and they would pay the cost. I did, the shop found a way to make DSP work but could not find a solution to DVD problem. I spent over $300. Seicane did not credit my card a cent and now they are saying they won't do anything because I bought it almost a year ago even though I first contacted them nine months ago for a solution to both the DSP and DVD problem. IMO if you are not familiar with audio installation and android operating system or don't have access to someone that is, don't buy from any vendor that doesn't have a US distributor with service and technical assistance support. |
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Had to have someone rewire the speakers to an amp. I never had sound from the car when I bought it. Worth it. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Xoutpost.com mobile app |
I am interested to see how well this thing performs as well. I'm obviously not expecting perfection... but I am familiar with audio install so getting the unit to work will not be an issue. I don't care what any of these android units say (aside from maybe Avin 3), none of them are DSP "ready" or "plug and play." Now I need to order the i-Bus USB interface as well as a whole host of other install accessories, backup cam, dash cam, etc.
I am replacing the DSP system completely so am not worried about that. Going to install 3 amps (2x JL Audio 500/5 and 1x JL Audio 1000/1) to replace the DSP amp. Going big on this one as my "dream" system from when I was a 20 year old drooling over JL Audio equipment I could not afford. Sub will be an Ascendant Audio 12" Havoc that can do some serious pounding. This vehicle will no longer be able to carry large loads, which is fine. I am going to buy an E39 wagon or something to pick up that duty. I agree wholeheartedly with you redliner. Buy USA distributor if you can with a real warranty. Having audio install familiarity is definitely a plus unless you are going to drop the unit off with a reputable install shop. It won't be a cheap install either. If they quote you $200... go to another shop. I am rolling the dice on this one because it is the only one in its form factor with the 10" screen. I will do a review of the unit and maybe a write-up of sorts but the Avin 2 writeup I did should have a lot of overlap so I might just cover the aspects specific to this unit. |
I got a brand new Sony amp, I believe it was the 12 Channel. I can Bluetooth to it without the head unit even on and play music if I want to. It's a really handy I have. It fits directly on to the bracket as well
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I was an early adopter of the Eonon GA6166 with 1GB RAM and a PX3 board in January 2017.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Q1...=w1196-h897-no I can tell you from experience that 1GB RAM (without a custom ROM from one of the xda-developers community) is pathetic to stream Pandora, run a weather app and run your mapping app. It was nearly 80% or higher RAM usage. 2GB would put you at around 50% of RAM. I did a board upgrade to a PX5 octa core with 4GB RAM and 32GB flash and that is definitely the right level of performance. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vU...=w1196-h897-no The I-BUS app is a must have which recovers nearly all and surpasses the original Board Monitor functionality that is/was lost in changing out the factory head unit. I also added a TPMS video patching system that is great functionality since I did not have factory TPMS and I'm not driven crazy by buggy factory TPMS sensors or batteries in the tire sensors. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LZ...=w1196-h897-no https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s_...=w1187-h890-no Mike |
Hopefully this link will work.. IPS screen Android 8.0 Car DVD Multimedia Player for BMW E39 M5 with Radio WiFi Bluetooth GPS Navigation-in Car Multimedia Player from Automobiles & Motorcycles on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group .. What do you guys think of this? It seems to tick the boxes you guys have mentioned in regards to core speed, ram, operating system etc.. but it’s all outside of my knowledge base! I just want a half decent stereo that has bluetooth to play music. (My x5 has base model stereo with no amplifier) and I guess other features like reversing camera, and gps maps would be nice!
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Looks like it's for the e39? Aren't the e53 a bit more curved to fit the contour of the dash?
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Eonon participates very heavily in the E46 Fanatics forum and provides a lot of support, which is why I purchased an Eonon for my E46 (a Windows version which has been very rock solid after initial Eonon patches) and when it came time for my E53 upgrade I went with another Eonon unit. If you purchase a unit with a buggy or poorly developed ROM and/or MCU you will spend a lot of time on https://forum.xda-developers.com/and...re-development to sort out the mess. Do your research on the most widely purchased units for the E53 and choose carefully. :dunno: :dunno: Mike |
Here's another one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Euna...5-f46db72fb971 Looks like the menu bar on the bottom is gone on this one and has higher specs. |
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Now I need to order the iBus interface, backup cam, and other accessories to go with this thing. |
:banghead: Too many options! Haha, thanks for the replies guys! I like the “factory” look, and having actual buttons to press to change radio station presets etc. I am a bit concerned about lack of support.. I asked the question “does the steering wheel buttons work automatically, or do I need to program it, or buy an additional module for it to work?” And the answer was “yes Support steering wheel controls” :dunno:
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From my other cars the steering wheel control was not automatic. You have to go into settings and have it programmed and learned. Pretty straight forward though, just press the button on the wheel and select the function you want on the screen and save.
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On the 1st Eonon in the E46 at the end of 2016, and the newer 8 core unit from last year, I did not need to set up either. The same was true of the 8 core Xtron that I installed in the E53. No setup needed. In any case, as you suggest, it is easy enough to set up. |
^My Avin Avant 2 steering wheel controls worked out of the box as well.
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Well this was on a non-bmw android HU install, on my Ford actually so maybe it was different as it doesn't use CAN-BUS.
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Seciane unit has the capability to set up steering wheel controls but it was not needed. Controls worked without doing anything.
Always a good idea to limit posts to E53 experiences, often even the same year and model to reduce misinformation and confusion. |
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But yeah. Not much beyond fuel, air and fire join up a Ford and BMW even if they both have Android radios. |
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One of my colleagues recently purchased a 2013 Ford Ranger pickup (ute) and we were surprised to discover the pedigree of the 6-speed auto transmission it uses... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_6R_transmission :confused: I also note that Seicane make a custom head unit for his truck (just sayin this to stay on topic!) :D |
A transmission based on a BMW trans and IBUS that is similar are examples of what I am referring. Based on and similar means there may be differences that we are not aware of and our input can steer OP in the wrong direction. That's part of the reason it is best to have year and model in the signature so responders know if their experience directly applies.
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My XTRONS unit for the e53 was plug and play and worked
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Heeeeeey! What’s up with that paddle shifter? What’s the scoop on those? Thanks. Nice setup you have. Love the carbon fiber. Sent from my iPhone using Xoutpost.com |
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But if someone should choose not to include the courtesy of details within the signature, the very least we might ask is that we're clear with where our experience is- and where it is not. :thumbup: |
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i got the Pumpkin one for my e53, it has two knobs on each side, alittle bigger than the stock one, and less buttons on the sides, but works nicely, almost no issues, was $430 thru Amazon a couple years back. One thing i didn't like was cutting the stock supports to install it, the metal box is in the wrong spot to just slide in without cutting.
User interface was good on this one, the graphics were fresh and modern. Did everything i wanted it to do. https://www.autopumpkin.com/pumpkin-...x5-m5-e39.html |
That one is nice too. Like the clean less buttons liek the E46 style. Got a pic of it installed?
So I guess there a few different designs. 1. OEM look with similar button lay out 2. 9" screen Table look 3. 10.25" Wide Screen look (I'll call this iDrive style?) 4. E46 style button look. |
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I replaced the stock steering wheel with a SMG M3 paddleshift wheel. It is wired to transmission so it is functional. Purchased carbon fiber trim from England many years ago. I bought the last set. It's real carbon fiber. |
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I thought I'd read ab those shifters, but I'd forgotten that they came from an E46. Very cool and yet another example of a disparate part bin considered in our E53 discussions! Are they like these? Turner's CF shifters |
^I wish I could install those and the m3 wheel. But alas... heated steering wheel takes precedence. ;) Wish there was an interchangeable clock spring that had another pair of wires running through it.
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Same, I love the heated steering wheel.
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Turner's CF shifters--- look like the same paddles but I don't remember where I purchased them. I did a how to thread. https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...l-install.html
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We're off topic but----I grew up in Michigan. If I was living in cold country my choice would have been gloves. There is only about a week of weather below freezing in Texas.
I don't need a heated steering wheel and paddle shifting is lots of fun. |
Any update on this HU? I am also really interested in how it looks installed!
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It's coming from China... so not yet. Probably won't be here until late November. I just got an email from the seller with DHL tracking... it only says shipping info received so might not even get here until early-mid December.
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So maybe soon! :thumbup: |
^ As you said... Much faster than anticipated. Supposed to be delivered today! We'll see if that holds true.
Edit: Radio just arrived! Will bench test it and play with it a bit later. :thumbup: |
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Video is up. I have to say... I'm pretty excited about this one. It's got really good response and the screen is gorgeous. I know it doesn't look good in this video as I shot it quick and dirty on my cell phone... but it is SHARP. I don't know how this happened but it is not supposed to come with the extension harness but they sent it to me anyway. :dunno: No complaints here.
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Here's another one, with some physical buttons looking more OEM:
Look what I found on AliExpress https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bHVUdAJQ But it's for e46, wondering if it fits our dash?! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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The extra screen real estate should be nice and 4GB RAM will run very nicely and retain snappy performance among even the most RAM hoggy apps. Mike |
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Besides, that's another quad core. Stay away. |
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Well, this Avin Avant-3 satisfies my OCD for looking as close to OEM as any android system can and has some decent specs I think. They claim it will work with DSP and non Nav so maybe an option for me moving forward. And of course they are back-ordered... I'll see if I can speak with someone and verify the DSP compatibility.
https://avinusa.com/avant-3-for-bmw-...n-system.html/ |
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You may get the function, but I am leery of these systems that wrap everything up nice and neat for the user. This generally means that they want to keep you as a revenue stream tied to their system, updates, and upgrades. I don't have experience with these, but I wouldn't buy one based simply on my impression of their efforts to insulate their users from the possibilities of their system. It smells like Apple's 'eco system' to me. Anyone's practical use with the hardware is welcome to chime in but it's a word of caution for me until I hear they open it up. |
What do you guys think about this Android HU?
Avin3 does look very oem, especially as it doesn’t have the dvd slot all the other units have. But after you add all the options (iBUS required for DSP $89) plus the 6m cable also required it gets pretty expensive. Some are just an empty slot. Don’t understand why they put it, it’s an obsolete media.
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I also asked about the closed system and he said it was a rumor spread that is completely untrue. I could add any app like your home security app you have on yours (I really like that) Plus the new shipment is coming with 4GB RAM instead of the initial release of 2GB RAM Android 6.0 Marshmallow (64bit) Octa-Core CPU 4GB RAM (DDR3) 32GB Internal Storage 1 second boot time (from standby) It is a little expensive but my OCD always ends up costing me money. |
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And then? Well THEN I would make this GINORMOUS thread here about the *install* and the way the thing WORKS and like, how fast it is.... Oh! And with VIDEO! Oh yeah. I would be on the YouTube with my new sh!t. And posting here. Like A LOT. I mean. You know. Jest my thinkin is all. :dunno: |
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Anyway, $750 less in the BMW maintenance account...:wahwah: |
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Here's a long boring video on the Avin Avant-3 unit in an M3. Shows the basic operations and graphics along with some of the features that can be added, most of the other systems do the same but I like the DVR (Driving Video Recorder). Gives you the dash cam, back up cam and one thing I love is the lane departure alerts. Like I said, a little boring but shows some nice features. Skip the last 10 minutes...
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I bought a '97 E39. Heated wheel. Heated seats. I wasn't yet 30 years old. I thought, "These are the stupidest things I have ever seen! Who needs heated seats, much less a heated wheel?!" I sold it in less than 3 months. Bought my '00 E39 with heated seats- but no bothersome heated wheel. BC, WTF, right? What a weird, wonderful journey it is to be with the same cars and actually start to appreciate the little things they did right outta the box. It's 20 years since I bought that 1st E39. Hell, I still *own* the 00 540. And those heated seats, along with the ones in both of my E53's have really become the starting point. Add a daughter who loves turning them on in the *back* seats of the E53, and you've got a downright family member on your hands. And so I just decided. One particularly chilly soccer game this past month made me know the time is right. I've aged *in* to the heated steering wheel. In the same damn chassis. The real question is, what will I do with the '75 '02? |
Tommy over at Avin usa is good to work with. The avant 2 I had was not a closed system. Install whatever you want. Liked everything about it until it failed to Bluetooth after 4 months. Tommy had an updated unit in my hands in a week or two.
Interested in how you get on with the avant 3. Talked to Tommy extensively about it but just didn't pull the trigger. Adding up all the goodies was nearing the $800 mark too quicky for my liking. |
I don’t think the avin3 is closed system either the videos talks about play store and downloading what you want.
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So I am willing to pay a $100-$150 premium for that alone. Also being a company based in the USA and support even on Sundays, I am willing to add an additional $100 in value. So ultimately it brings the price into range when you consider all the benefits and features. |
^Oh it's a good head unit, and worth that $... as you say for the customer service especially. As a returning customer and due to the write up I did I was going to get a deal but I wanted to try a larger screen and android setup as well so went with the cheaper option. I might get an Avant 3 in the future if the one I bought doesn't "float my boat" during daily use.
Now I remember why I didn't pull the trigger at the time, he didn't have the front camera in stock. The one that replaces the front mirror trim. Was going to take a number of months to get it in so I waited. I was asking for all the options, front cam, rear cam, TPMS, etc. |
Gosh. Between the lighting thread and all this yakking about HU.
TRUTH - I have never looked at the android units at all. Considered it way too after-markety. But that lighting thread talking about iBus control and whatnot - Ha. Got me to put on the honey-to-do list on how ya'll use the HU relative to the car The HU right now for use does 1 thing only and 1 thing only. BT audio via spotify, and gps nav audio output via Waze or G Maps. Real time data nav is far superior to even the NAV with have with existing HU. The only NICE thing with the HU is the 3D scaling we get when in metro local streets |
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Hey all I was talking with a rep at Avin on chat box and they lowered the price on the Avant-3 $100.
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But still in back-ordered isn't it?
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I just bought mine last night for the $599 cost and read this thread. Just looked in my inbox and Avin had already refunded me the $100 without any request from me at all. Now that's customer service. Wow. :thumbup:
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Jan 15 is when it’ll be back in stock and with 8.0
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Im still here just holidays keep me so busy. Biz stuff plus family doesn't leave any spare time lately. |
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Im about to buy another E53 possibly. One of my customers is trying to sell me a 2000 E53 black on black. If its cheap enough I will buy it. I need something with 4wd to check on the old house that I don't mind staying muddy all the time. Once I got all the mud out from under the wife's and my X5's I wont take them back over there :) But the F150 truck just drives soooo bad compared to the X5's. So I may end up buying that other E53 as a way to keep tabs on the old house and not dread the drive over there. |
parting out: 2003 4.4i two axle air suspension in atlanta:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/p...748263399.html |
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I didn't ask but guessing the $100 off is temporary while it's on back-order. Maybe they have a bunch of units coming in and want to get pre-orders on them. I guess I've been out of the loop awhile because I find it amazing they make these too look nearly identical to the factory unit, and, their plug and play with 100% OBC functionality! What I want to do is upgrade my factory nav with this unit and upgrade all the speakers including the sub. I just don't want to throw $2k into it and not sound that great. Then have to gut it and add an aftermarket amp, speakers with cross overs etc. |
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I'm just lightly reading on these HU for now
Does anyone of them do Carplay or HU. Or just BT support of contacts only ? |
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https://avinusa.com/avant-3-for-bmw-...n-system.html/ Special Price $499.99
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You can buy the zbox for apple carplay for cheaper online. I wouldn’t buy it from them.
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The first add on I will get once I am installed and confident I like the android conversion is the DVR (Driver Video Recorder). Besides getting a full time dash cam with cyclic recording at definable record times (3 min, 5 min, 10 min) and a MicroSD card up to 128GB and a backup cam. One of the biggest features to me is the lane departure alerts. The camera app is supposed to "see" the white lines or lanes in the road and alert you if you begin wander over them. Some of these newest features bring our aging X5 models into 2015 specs. |
I don't really use CP at all. It's all about BT Spotify playlist, and streaming BT NAV audio. I ~prefer~ to look at the higher resolution screen on the phone than what feels like Commodore Screen Resolution.
However, I'm on the road to a jobsite or client and I'm driving a good solid hrs+++, CP does have it's advantage on being slightly productive handsfree |
For those of you with the older PX3 board and pathetic 1GB RAM on Android 5.1, here is the board upgrade that gave my Eonon GA6166 a much more healthy 4GB RAM and Android 6.0
It is offered by several Ali sellers: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Octa...ffae3c00SRyEfH https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4GB-...45513c00B5aOnZ This upgrade saved me from having to pull another dreaded FAKRA cable from under the spare all the way up to the front Nav head area and purchasing a new unit with greater performance. The 1GB board without a modified ROM from a talented developer at XDA Developers forum was awful. RAM is like HP in these machines, too much is just enough! Mike |
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I have started the reading, researching and planning stage of my install next month. One of the most common features people add is the reverse camera and I want to know more about the wiring and activation of the cameras. If you do a few searches for E53 backup cam you will come up with plethora of old posts dating back to 2006 for the addition of backup cams to OEM navigation systems with the TV tuner.
And then the ones that have posted videos of installs of cameras on the android systems are just plain hacks. Wires running everywhere, not securing of wiring, wires not properly routed, etc. It is just painful to watch. Any of the threads you read are outdated to the point where the iBus adapter may or not have been perfected yet so my question is does the iBus app determine reverse gear now or is the wiring of the camera trigger to the reverse lights still necessary? :dunno: I want to learn more about the latest android systems and how the installers provide the connections for the reverse cameras and/or dash cameras. |
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One of the problems the X5 has is many have tried to wire the power of the camera to the reverse lights and has caused video quality interference, momentary operation and hot check bulb warnings on the dash. Since I will be going with the DVR recording my cameras will need to be powered to be on with radio or ignition position 1/2 source. I notice that the AVIN allows you to set the cameras to continue recording even after leaving the vehicle for up to 2 hours so I am try to contact them regarding the wiring of their cameras for that feature to work. One would think the cameras would be wired to HAAT and honestly sounds like a potential battery parasitic drain issue. There has to be a proper way to wire these cameras, I just am struggling with the different systems, different features and different algorithms. *EDIT* I see you over on E46F too. Never realized that was you. :thumbup: |
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I think the solution you seek is a relay that pulls power from a separate source for the camera when the rear lights activate the relay to close it's contacts. That might be helpful and now I am remembering that this is the way I wired my E53 rear camera but there still appears to be mild interference from the electrical system since without the engine running the video is much clearer. Possibly a better camera design with greater electrical interference insulation :dunno: :dunno: Mike |
Some of the issues come from the BMW lights. LCI has pulse width modulated (PWM) bulb signals and preLCI is analog signals (OV, 12V). I'm sure there is an analog reverse signal on the LCI system somewhere. From the reverse light switch at the gearbox to the PDC module to the trailer module... Somewhere.
The easiest signal for me would be a digital signal of 0 or 1 coming from the IBus for activation. :dunno: |
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Ob, it was necessary to use a relay triggered by the pdc trigger at the back of the truck. As mentioned, on an lci truck using just the tail lights to trigger a reverse camera will result in the camera not functioning properly due to the pwm. My avant 2 install details this. It was a complete pain in the @$$ to install. Especially with the camera that used to be provided by Avin. To do it properly, and not make it a hack job takes considerable effort. Which is why so many installs you see [I]are[I] hack jobs. Here, the insanity starts at step 28. https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...-detailed.html |
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Found a little more info from autopumpkin.com. Here is a basic layout of one camera harness like I think I have ordered. It also shows power from the reverse light 12V but on our BMW's this causes issues. So with a relay it should work but still, this only has camera powered up when reverse is engaged. I want the camera powered up always when key is on for recording purposes, not for viewing on monitor.
http://www.autopumpkin.com/forum/dow...file.php?id=39 Another wiring schematic for some different camera systems that have a dedicated analog reverse light signal sent to the HU if you don't have the help of IBus messages to indicate the reverse signal. http://www.autopumpkin.com/forum/dow...file.php?id=40 And finally, the message at the bottom: BE NOTED: If your headunit is using the CAN BUS decoder box to control the reverse signal, then the reverse detective wire should be already connect between the CAN BUS box and the headunit, then you no need to care about this wire, just connect the RCA jacket to the camera input port from the radio. |
If you guys just need a reverse signal, why not just use a small diode and capacitor(may a resistor to drain the capacitor) to convert the PWM signal to the reverse lights?
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So my current plan or logic would be to wire the power of the rear camera to the rear fuse box. There are several choices and that becomes my next research, I need power when key is in position 1 or 2 (still open to suggestions)
Fuse 72 Audio/Nav Fuse 73 Ignition Fuse 75 Audio/Nav Fuse 76/82 Open (my choice if I can figure out the supply side of the fuse is ignition switch position 1/2. Just add the wire to the open load slot on that fuse) Fuse 80 Ignition Fuse 83 Rear charge sockets (Sleep mode enabled?) https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...es-diagram.jpg |
Ob, in the case where you want it powered all the time, just use a switched 12v on ignition to trigger a relay to power the camera. You will have to determine if your head unit switches to reverse automatically using the bus as crowz mentioned. If it does, great. The camera will be feeding it a picture all the time whether in reverse or not so your wiring would be done.
Edit: I see you are already on that course. Not sure what at the fuse box is pos 1 energized but some testing with a multimeter should determine that quickly enough. |
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Pin 30 12V Pin 85 GND Pin 86 Reverse light PWM bulb signal from X5 Pin 87 Camera power out |
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^True. Sounds like it should be relatively painless to install provided the camera housing itself fits where it's intended to. :thumbup:
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Are you trying to install a reverse camera that activates and shows on the screen when the vehicle is in reverse as well as records what is going on behind you as well as displays that view when driving? Why not just use an independent recording camera that you could mount facing one direction or the other depending on the circumstances.
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So on the custom circuit board for the reverse cam I am assuming you didn't have the Resler IBus interface at that time so you needed a different path to trigger the reverse event. I like the added feature of the PDC button command but I am not sure it is needed for me with the newer evolution of android HU I can simply bring up the rear view through the app within the HU. Still a nice feature you with TerminatorX and Smokey53 figured out. Kudos. I design, build and install data and video acquisition harnesses for the motorsport environment and it was nice to see someone with the same OCD for fit and finish as I have. It makes all the difference in the world when you stand back and look at your efforts and results. When I look at this picture, all I can say is one word. Professional. Thanks for sharing. :thumbup: |
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On the DVR accessory the front camera is the master with the card slot and recording processing and the rear is the slave. Both video images are fed to the android but it really doesn't do anything other than display the video images on command. (Reverse or manual app command) The recording process is cyclic so when the card fills up, it starts writing over the oldest recordings. I never need to pull the card unless it is needed. The latest videos are always accessible through the app or directly from the card. I posted this video of the DVR accessory that AVIN is currently using. The lane departure alerts and closing speed of the vehicle ahead alerts are something I really would like to have. More like the sophisticated electronics of the cars now. Watch the video from the 8:00 mark through the 15:30 mark. The director has a hard time staying focused or on topic but worth the view anyway. You will get the idea. In his video he states he has it wired to the reverse lights but I am not sure this guy even did his own install... https://youtu.be/x90ED5zboro |
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My install is very similar to the M3 video except I went down the driver side. I had installed a Dice Mediabridge many years ago so I knew that route would work and be factory like.
I have a Seicane unit that I don't recommend because of total lack of customer service. But from going through the problems of that install I would never even suggest trying to customize the unit features unless one is a pro. My view is to buy something that already has the features you want and one you won't be breaking new ground. I think Android based is the only route to go. At least there is half a chance of keeping up with emerging factory features that might come available as an android app to stay state of the art. |
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Nice! Is that a proprietary type plug I see there for the camera feed wires? If that harness is long enough to make it from the hatch to the body of the truck through the trunk/snorkel it could make running wires simpler/quicker.
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The second half of the binder connector holds the RCA jack and the power and ground cables. The power and ground cables are long enough so I will just need to put some DR-25 shrink over them and make their way to the rear fuse block. The small binder connector on the lens is small enough so I can feed it through the 1/4" hole I drill for the lens mounting collar. That will work out nicely. The third cable (RCA to RCA with trigger wires if needed) is more than long enough to make it to the Avin. Here is the install Crowz did a year ago with the same lens. Backup-Reverse Camera | Crowz Nest |
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Here is a question for the people that have already adopted the andorid or aftermarket head units. We are debating whether the factory Bluetooth could remain operational? Some think the Bluetooth and voice commands are handled by the TCU and it simply sends audio signals on to the head unit but with the aftermarket head units there is nothing to send the audio to? Just wondering, I would like to keep my OEM hands free/voice commands/ address book if possible.
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IMO leave all OE very dated technology behind unless the unit manual says otherwise. Android units have bluetooth, hands free, will load contacts and you can mirror your phone.
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Just my OCD coming after me again. I probably need meds... :drunk: |
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I needed IBUS and app. IBUS connects via USB and is wire in behind the radio so it is not visible. I use Torque rather than any other features of IBUS.
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Ok guys, a little advice needed and a short little rant...
I am trying to figure out the proper wiring of the backup cam for the Avant-3 coming next month. I was able to speak via chat box with one of the Avin reps but I honestly don't know if they are BMW savvy and leave me with more questions than before I spoke with them. I guess maybe I am approaching this a little differently than just a back up camera. I want to have that rear image and front image recording whenever the ignition or radio is on through the DVR app in the android system. For instance, when I asked about the wiring they say to wire the camera power to the reverse light signal at the rear reverse light. How in the **** will the camera be powered up and working (for recording purposes) when in drive or even running? The guys just seem to be generic keyboard warriors and cannot give me straight answers. Another question I asked them about is the reverse trigger event. They tell me I have to wire the single trigger wire on the back of the Avant-3 to indicate a reverse event. It is my understanding that the CAN bus adapter knows the reverse event and should be able to switch screen simply on the reverse CAN message. (I know one of our members Crowz told me he didn't have to wire any trigger for his Seicane unit for the reverse camera screen to switch). So I asked him why I need to provide the analog signal when the CAN bus adapter already knows when the reverse event is triggered and he told me "oh, we don't do it that way". WTF? I have tried to contact the Avin engineering staff and get little response if any. You can't physically speak with anyone on the phone, so I have reached out to Tommy directly via email and get no response. I guess like all these Chinese systems, you just need to sort this all out on your own. I will assume that the Avin rep is correct about needing the analog signal and my question is where others have pulled this analog signal for reverse event? I believe our LCI reverse lights are a PWM output and have read many problems trying to use that signal. Some have used relays and wiring but it just seems there must be an easier way. When I asked the rep about any bulb check error messages he went silent like he has no idea what I am talking about. Has anyone pulled a direct 12V reverse signal from the trailer module or PDC module or are they iBus/CAN messaged based signals? How about the PDC button in the control strip below the HVAC controls? Ultimately I will wait to install this head unit before adding wires and/or relays but come on, there has to be other installers that have done this work in a more logical, professional manner instead of just slinging wires... When the support staff of a $600-$700 product is that elusive and quite honestly that clueless, I makes me second guess my decision to go with their android product. Frustration is my "word of the day" |
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Your quest to record both the front and rear cameras constantly surely presents some challenges that I hope you can resolve. Here are some links that discuss tapping into the TV module connection as well as using the PDC LED signal light for a rear camera install. Backup Cam Wiring through tailgate They may or may not be helpful to your goal but I thought I'd share them :dunno: :dunno: Mike |
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Are you saying that Torque can be integrated into the IBUS app? Or are you saying that you use Torque as your engine parameter monitoring app? Mike |
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With my Avin 2 it required an analog reverse trigger. You've seen my method of providing it. I plan on modifying that schematic to have the NO pin of the relay have constant ACC 12v to the camera. Then keep NC with the reverse trigger and power to the camera. This way I retain PDC button trigger to display, reverse trigger by shifting, and the camera is powered all the time and feeding the head unit an image. What I have not looked into yet is whether or not I will have to split the video signal from the camera into both the reverse cam input (RCA) and a Video In input (RCA) in order to have full time recording. Will have to see if an android DVR app will capture from the reverse cam input at all, let alone if it only does it during reverse triggers. We shall see. It does not surprise me that Avin was not helpful in your specific use-case. What you (and I) are trying to accomplish is very edge case and probably not something they've been asked before, if ever. I'm sure they provide the analog reverse trigger so they don't have to worry about Canbus triggers and the like. You're blazing a new trail. :thumbup: I hope to follow you soon. |
Technical help will be limited to the built in functions. Techs seldom go outside of that box.
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Kind of sad they don't trigger the reverse thru the canbus decoder like the Seicane does. Even my eonons do that.
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https://youtu.be/x90ED5zboro How the recording is processed I don't know and can't find these answers anywhere. It does create separate videos (front/rear) as seen in the video at 13:40. I know the front camera has the MicroSD slot for recording to it but no idea where the rear camera is recorded. Maybe the rear does get recorded through the head unit as you suggest. Even the guy on the video claims his camera is powered from the reverse lights at 14:50 but the PIP view shows his rear camera clearly working in his video out of reverse. :dunno: These types of conflicting answers send my OCD into overdrive... :banghead: Quote:
Maybe some of the Fords, Nissans and Toyotas do not indicate reverse over the CAN bus decoder but the BMW does so why not use it. :dunno: |
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But you'd still have to power the camera. And that wire needs tapped. Since it's a reverse only camera (normally) tapping the reverse lights makes sense. :dunno: Or am I not smelling what you guys are steppin in? Seems to me that if you want full time recording, just power the camera on when the A/C is on. The trick is that these units only have the single line input for front- labeled DVR, IIRC. But, if you power both cameras and get something that'll send a split signal to the DVR input, you should get what you want using the radio. Of course, if none of that is what you guys want, then I'll just read some more and stay quiet. :nanana: |
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Where I am struggling is the triggering event and wiring of 2 separate cameras. When I asked the rep for a wiring schematic or even pictures or the camera wiring harness I might have just as well been speaking in a foreign language. LOL he even told me the head unit powers the rear camera. I asked him how the **** do you power a camera from a video RCA jack ... These Avin support guys are just keyboard warriors. I need to speak with someone with at least my level of comprehension... |
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DC power over the signal coax is a common way of feeding power up an aerial mast to an aerial booster (for TV reception)... |
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Power it off the radios power antenna wire antenna wire. That's what I do when I want the camera to have power when the radios on. I normally do this on trucks with trailer hitches since I want to see the hitch constantly even when going from drive to reverse.
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So a little digging around and I think I have a better plan to trigger the head unit for a reverse event (if needed). Our electrochromic rear view mirrors get a straight 12V (not PWM) signal from the LCM on pin 39 and goes to pin 1 on the mirror plug (black/green) to disable dimming when in reverse. I can tap into that wire easily right next to the glove box/head unit wiring area.
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Would do the same but I want the PDC button trigger too so I might as well do all my tapping in the rear. :dunno: |
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There was another thread where the pdc was used to trigger it by tapping to one of the wires on the pdc module but the voltage was really low and needed a micro relay and making your own control box or something. Really neat but I don’t have the slightest clue in making one even with instructions lol
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So... I thought I could power up the camera from the right rear fuse box tied into the radio or navigation fuses. Ha, problem is all those fuses back there are sleep enabled switched power. I was specifically looking for terminal 15. :banghead:
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What about the flat blade type distribution block that's behind the 12v cigarette plugins in the cargo area? The one mounted to the back of the body panel. Not sure what all comes off of it but it's before the fuse block.
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Well crap. Sorry I thought it was a power distribution block but I hadn't pulled the interior there yet....
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Is there a reverse wire in the trailer plug wiring? That would be 12v surely?
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Rear fog light, reversing light, communication The rear fog light and reversing light are not switched directly by the lamps of the towing vehicle as the corresponding lamps on the car must be extinguished with the trailer hitched up. The trailer module communicates with the light module via a data link between the light module and trailer module. The rear fog light and reversing light are controlled via this data link. The trailer module transfers error messages to the light module with regard to faults in the trailer power circuits. The rear fog light is switched off in the event of an interruption in communication between the light module and trailer module for more than two seconds. Communication is re-attempted every time terminal 15 is switched on. If communication between the light module and trailer module was already set up once and is now interrupted, the corresponding fault code is entered in the fault code memory of the light module. |
Got an email today from Avin letting me know the Dual DVR V2 camera systems just arrived and they are sending mine out. The Avant-3 V2 is still 10 days out showing Jan 31 but getting the camera system mounted and wired in ahead of time will keep me busy for a few days. :thumbup:
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Watching closely as I think the Avant 3 is what I want for our X5s
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I'm assuming the front one is similar to their rear view mirror shroud one. BMW OEM Style DVR Dash Camera Suitable for BMW 3 5 7 Series E46 E39 E53 E38 But I don't see any rear cameras for the E53. Probably just one of their generic ones like Front Parking Camera / Universal Rear View Backup Camera (Model: UFBCAM1) Anyone know if this one will fit the E53? BMW Trunk Release Backup / Reverse Camera for X5 X6 X3 X1 E82 E84 E88 E90 E91 E92 E93 E60 E70 E71 (Model: BMW-THCAM1) it looks just like this one from amazon BMW Backup Camera, Car Reverse Rear View Parking Back up Camera Compatible with BMW 5 Series M5/3 Series M3/X1/X3/X5/X6/E39/E53 |
The first link you provided for the OEM looking housing camera is out of stock and myself and another member found that camera on fleaBay and it really has some issues so we both returned them. The second link is a generic rear or front camera and also a no-go because of the size and shape IMHO.
The third and 4th links are for the license plate light rear view camera combination that claim fitment but you will find anyone that has tried to use it either on the E46 or E53 found it needed a lot of modification to install properly. The Dual DVR front camera I ordered is the DDVR-CAM2 and is 1080 front and CCD rear. https://avinusa.com/dual-dvr-dashboa...-hd-video.html https://avinusa.com/media/catalog/pr...cam1080p_1.jpg Lastly, here is a video from Avin showing the DDVR installed on an M3 with the features available like lane departure alerts. Save yourself from endless blah, blah, blah and start at 11 minutes in. https://youtu.be/x90ED5zboro This is the rear view camera Crowz and I used for our install. Nice, small and stealth. :thumbup: https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...208_121617.jpg https://xoutpost.com/attachments/x5-...208_133955.jpg |
Thanks OB!
So the front camera connects via USB(without RCA) to the Avin HU? Rear connects to the Avin HU via yellow RCA. Both front and rear are stored in the MicroSD on the front camera. Also the Loop recording (3 min, 5 min, 10 min) Means that it will keep writing 3/5/10min clips until the card is full and then start erasing correct? e.g. It doesn't rewrite a single 3/5/10min clip Thanks, Justin |
Well, well, well. LOL
From Avin just 2 minutes ago: Hi, There was a delay in production of the new Android 8.0 BMW E46, E38, E39, and E53 units. We will not be able to ship out the new model until February 22nd. Maybe sooner but that is the new target date. The Avant3 has been discontinued. There will be a new model number and a new lower starting price as well. The new model will have a new low starting price of $449.99. Because of this, we will be refunding all customers that have ordered the Avant3 so they can place a new order for the new model when we update our website next week. |
Those Seicane units ship a bit faster :)
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