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CarlosT95 04-07-2014 09:58 PM

Audio! Help!
 
I jump started my 01 x5 4.4i and all of a sudden my speakers have a loud noise like if it was on an unknown radio channel, I have a Lear amp hifi dsp! Did I blow the amp? Or speakers? Only the front tweeters work. There is no water damage in trunk at all, and there is no other problem with the vehicle the jump start ONLY affected the speakers so I'm not sure if it's the amp or the speakers.

TerminatorX5 04-07-2014 11:43 PM

something definitely fried inside the amp... the amp is designed so it takes basically two input channels (left and right) and transfers them into 12 outputs... you would need to narrow down to specific speaker(s) that stopped working... the troubleshooting might be rather extensive - you would need to tear apart the left side pocket area in the trunk, to gain access to the amp... and then use the amp pinout to troubleshoot each channel - use your third party speaker to connect to the amp and see if the sound is distorted, and then use a sound signal to send down the wires to the car's speakers to see if the speakers can reproduce the sound...

based on your description that the multiple speakers are malfunctioning, i would suspect that the problem at common point, which is the amp...

what is the exact date of manufacture of your car?

CarlosT95 04-08-2014 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5 (Post 989430)
something definitely fried inside the amp... the amp is designed so it takes basically two input channels (left and right) and transfers them into 12 outputs... you would need to narrow down to specific speaker(s) that stopped working... the troubleshooting might be rather extensive - you would need to tear apart the left side pocket area in the trunk, to gain access to the amp... and then use the amp pinout to troubleshoot each channel - use your third party speaker to connect to the amp and see if the sound is distorted, and then use a sound signal to send down the wires to the car's speakers to see if the speakers can reproduce the sound...

based on your description that the multiple speakers are malfunctioning, i would suspect that the problem at common point, which is the amp...

what is the exact date of manufacture of your car?

Exact date of manufacture is 05/01
And it's all the speakers including subwoofers EXCEPT dash tweeters. I tore the trunk apart already anyways and I have the amp in hand wasn't that hard to remove with proper tools! But I don't have a third party speaker or any of that. So it's probably the amp? Should I just pay to get it repaired?

TerminatorX5 04-08-2014 01:00 AM

i hate throwing parts or money at a problem... do you know how to read WDS diagrams? based on your date, this pinout seems to be the one for your situation

WDS BMW Wiring Diagram System - X5 E53

A18 Amplifier

Plug connector overview






Number

X-pin, colour

Description

X18771 15-pin, black Plug connector A Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18772 18-pin, black Plug connector B Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18773 26-pin, blue Plug connector C Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X01183 1-pin, metal Plug connector D Amplifier (Top Hifi)

Pin assignments at plug connector X18771







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

2 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

3 A Positive activation, rear left loudspeaker Left rear speaker

4 A Radio ON/antenna signal Radio

5 E Negative activation, rear right loudspeaker Right rear speaker

6 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

7 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

8 E Terminal 30 Fuse F72

9 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

10 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

11 A Touring Left rear speaker

12 A Touring Right rear speaker

13 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

14 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

15 M Terminal 31 Ground point


Pin assignments at plug connector X18772







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 Not used

2 E Negative signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

3 Not used

4 Not used

5 E/A I-bus signal line Connector X18344

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 E Negative activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

9 E Negative activation, front left loudspeaker Radio

10 Not used

11 A Positive signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

12 Not used

13 E Telephone mute signal Transceiver/charging electronics

14 Not used

15 E Telephone ON signal Transceiver/charging electronics

16 Not used

17 E Positive activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

18 E Positive activation, front left loudspeaker Radio


Pin assignments at plug connector X18773







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

2 M Negative activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

3 Not used

4 M Negative activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

5 A Positive activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 Not used

9 A Positive activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

10 M Negative activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

11 A Positive activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

12 A Positive activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

13 A Positive activation, front right woofer Right front speaker

14 A Positive activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

15 M Negative activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

16 M Negative activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

17 Not used

18 Not used

19 A Positive activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

20 Not used

21 Not used

22 Not used

23 Not used

24 M Negative activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

25 M Negative activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

26 M Negative activation, front right woofer Right front speaker


Pin assignments at plug connector X01183







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 E Central locking signal Audio frequency CD changer

TerminatorX5 04-08-2014 01:03 AM

i hate throwing parts or money at a problem... do you know how to read WDS diagrams? based on your date, this pinout seems to be the one for your situation

WDS BMW Wiring Diagram System - X5 E53

A18 Amplifier

Plug connector overview






Number

X-pin, colour

Description

X18771 15-pin, black Plug connector A Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18772 18-pin, black Plug connector B Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18773 26-pin, blue Plug connector C Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X01183 1-pin, metal Plug connector D Amplifier (Top Hifi)

Pin assignments at plug connector X18771







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

2 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

3 A Positive activation, rear left loudspeaker Left rear speaker

4 A Radio ON/antenna signal Radio

5 E Negative activation, rear right loudspeaker Right rear speaker

6 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

7 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

8 E Terminal 30 Fuse F72

9 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

10 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

11 A Touring Left rear speaker

12 A Touring Right rear speaker

13 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

14 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

15 M Terminal 31 Ground point


Pin assignments at plug connector X18772







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 Not used

2 E Negative signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

3 Not used

4 Not used

5 E/A I-bus signal line Connector X18344

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 E Negative activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

9 E Negative activation, front left loudspeaker Radio

10 Not used

11 A Positive signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

12 Not used

13 E Telephone mute signal Transceiver/charging electronics

14 Not used

15 E Telephone ON signal Transceiver/charging electronics

16 Not used

17 E Positive activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

18 E Positive activation, front left loudspeaker Radio


Pin assignments at plug connector X18773







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

2 M Negative activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

3 Not used

4 M Negative activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

5 A Positive activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 Not used

9 A Positive activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

10 M Negative activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

11 A Positive activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

12 A Positive activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

13 A Positive activation, front right woofer Right front speaker

14 A Positive activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

15 M Negative activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

16 M Negative activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

17 Not used

18 Not used

19 A Positive activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

20 Not used

21 Not used

22 Not used

23 Not used

24 M Negative activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

25 M Negative activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

26 M Negative activation, front right woofer Right front speaker


Pin assignments at plug connector X01183







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 E Central locking signal Audio frequency CD changer

CarlosT95 04-08-2014 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerminatorX5 (Post 989440)
i hate throwing parts or money at a problem... do you know how to read WDS diagrams? based on your date, this pinout seems to be the one for your situation

WDS BMW Wiring Diagram System - X5 E53

A18 Amplifier

Plug connector

Number

X-pin, colour

Description

X18771 15-pin, black Plug connector A Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18772 18-pin, black Plug connector B Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X18773 26-pin, blue Plug connector C Amplifier (Top Hifi)
X01183 1-pin, metal Plug connector D Amplifier (Top Hifi)

Pin assignments at plug connector X18771







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

2 A Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

3 A Positive activation, rear left loudspeaker Left rear speaker

4 A Radio ON/antenna signal Radio

5 E Negative activation, rear right loudspeaker Right rear speaker

6 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

7 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

8 E Terminal 30 Fuse F72

9 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 1 Subwoofer speaker

10 E Negative signal, subwoofer speaker 2 Subwoofer speaker

11 A Touring Left rear speaker

12 A Touring Right rear speaker

13 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 4 Subwoofer speaker

14 E Positive signal, subwoofer speaker 3 Subwoofer speaker

15 M Terminal 31 Ground point


Pin assignments at plug connector X18772







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 Not used

2 E Negative signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

3 Not used

4 Not used

5 E/A I-bus signal line Connector X18344

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 E Negative activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

9 E Negative activation, front left loudspeaker Radio

10 Not used

11 A Positive signal, low frequency Transceiver/charging electronics

12 Not used

13 E Telephone mute signal Transceiver/charging electronics

14 Not used

15 E Telephone ON signal Transceiver/charging electronics

16 Not used

17 E Positive activation, front right loudspeaker Radio

18 E Positive activation, front left loudspeaker Radio


Pin assignments at plug connector X18773







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 A Positive activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

2 M Negative activation, front left woofer Left front speaker

3 Not used

4 M Negative activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

5 A Positive activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

6 Not used

7 Not used

8 Not used

9 A Positive activation, front right medium-range speaker Right front speaker

10 M Negative activation, front left mid-range speaker Left front speaker

11 A Positive activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

12 A Positive activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

13 A Positive activation, front right woofer Right front speaker

14 A Positive activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

15 M Negative activation, front left tweeter Left front speaker

16 M Negative activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

17 Not used

18 Not used

19 A Positive activation, rear left medium-range speaker/tweeter Left rear speaker

20 Not used

21 Not used

22 Not used

23 Not used

24 M Negative activation, rear right medium-range speaker/tweeter Right rear speaker

25 M Negative activation, front right tweeter Right front speaker

26 M Negative activation, front right woofer Right front speaker


Pin assignments at plug connector X01183







Pin

Type

Description / Signal type

Connection /
Measuring notes

1 E Central locking signal Audio frequency CD changer

No that's difficult and can't read them is there an easier way or is this the only way to check the amp?

TerminatorX5 04-08-2014 10:14 AM

This is how I would proceed with the amp testing. Maybe there other, simpler methods I don't know about. Try replacing the amp, maybe it will take care of the problem

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Acidphase 04-08-2014 10:39 AM

As side note I highly doubt speakers you can blow from jumping a car something like a amplifier or head unit finals are more subject to spikes in voltage/amps.

admranger 04-08-2014 05:41 PM

those DSP amps aren't cheap either...do you have a good salvage yard or 10 nearby to search for the proper DSP amp. A 5-series amps will work, but you have to get them recoded by someone with a DIS as the adjustments are all wrong for the X5 if the amp came from a 5-series (E39 M5's all had DSP).

If it is toast, you might want to just go aftermarket, but that's not cheap either...nor is it simple with DSP vehicles <sigh>

CarlosT95 04-08-2014 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acidphase (Post 989477)
As side note I highly doubt speakers you can blow from jumping a car something like a amplifier or head unit finals are more subject to spikes in voltage/amps.

Yeah that is what I was thinking! Thanks for the input!


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