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nigwhyrito 09-25-2014 10:43 AM

About time to go to stealer
 
Grrrrr so moving to chicagoland has hurt my x5. Since I moved I had coolant leaking issues, oil sludge, windshield washer reservoir cracked, ignition coils 1,2,3,5. after getting all that fixed plus new brakes I now have an issue where AC will blow cold for no more than 10 mins. then its warm or hot air. Been doing research not sure if that the FSR, Compressor, or just need refrigerant. If it needs refrigerant does that mean i may have had a leak. Never had it changed. Im thinking my shock are going to need replacement too. I can hear them when I go over speed bumps nice and slow. The car doesnt bounce though. not sure she pushing 97,125 miles. :confused:

dkl 09-25-2014 10:53 AM

Is the shock noise in the rear? Do you have air suspension? If it's in the rear and you DON'T have air suspension, it may just be your spring pads needing replacement. As the pads get deformed, the springs sit closer and closer to the subframe - have a look at that first.

upallnight 09-25-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nigwhyrito (Post 1009963)
Grrrrr so moving to chicagoland has hurt my x5. Since I moved I had coolant leaking issues, oil sludge, windshield washer reservoir cracked, ignition coils 1,2,3,5. after getting all that fixed plus new brakes I now have an issue where AC will blow cold for no more than 10 mins. then its warm or hot air. Been doing research not sure if that the FSR, Compressor, or just need refrigerant. If it needs refrigerant does that mean i may have had a leak. Never had it changed. Im thinking my shock are going to need replacement too. I can hear them when I go over speed bumps nice and slow. The car doesnt bounce though. not sure she pushing 97,125 miles. :confused:

If you think Chicago has been bad to the X, wait until you find yourself on some dark alley or street and the X craps out on you and members of the Latin Kings or Black P Stone Ranger is coming toward you and you're not packing. You are going to wish you were back at the Hampton.

nigwhyrito 09-25-2014 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkl (Post 1009967)
Is the shock noise in the rear? Do you have air suspension? If it's in the rear and you DON'T have air suspension, it may just be your spring pads needing replacement. As the pads get deformed, the springs sit closer and closer to the subframe - have a look at that first.

i hear it on front left mainly but all sides seem to exhibit it, No air suspension, just normal.

nigwhyrito 09-25-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by trader4 (Post 1010000)
If it's blowing air, but it's just not cold, then it's not an FSR issue. FSR only controls the blower speed. Generally, if it needs refrigerant, there is a leak somewhere.... On the other hand, had a problem with mine a couple years ago, where the AC was weak. It was low on refrigerant, topped it off and it went back to working perfectly. I expected to have it go low again within some number of months. But, knock on wood, somehow it's been OK every since. Only thing I can think of was maybe one of the valves was leaking and when recharging it, the valve seated itself.

I was worried about topping off. I ll let the stealer look at it knauz bmw.
see what they can find. As we all know you don't buy a bmw if you cant afford the maint.

lhordmclain 09-25-2014 04:16 PM

Skip the dealership

Here are your alternative Indy Shops:

BMW Repair Shops in Chicago, IL | Independent BMW Service in Chicago, IL | BimmerShops.com

Bavarian Motors
27 N. May Street
Chicago, IL 60607

Bimmer Werkshop
4425 West Montrose
Chicago, IL 60641

N.C.A. Motorsports
5801 W. Dempster
Morton Grove, IL 60053

Bavarian Auto Werke
16309 107 Ave.
, Suite 1
Orland Park, IL 60491

TiAgX5 09-25-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1009999)
If you think Chicago has been bad to the X, wait until you find yourself on some dark alley or street and the X craps out on you and members of the Latin Kings or Black P Stone Ranger is coming toward you and you're not packing. You are going to wish you were back at the Hampton.

Only a fool would be in bad Chicago 'hoods and not be packing (with CC permit).

I'm in a low crime area, Coppell TX., and ALWAYS have a Sig Sauer P227 (45 ACP double stack/3 clips) in an IWB holster, and a Charter Arms Undercover (38 spcl +P/4 speedloaders) in the X.

I keep PDX1 bonded/jacketed hollowpoints in both. 55 rounds, ready to go, if any criminals are feelin' froggy and jump!

Ricky Bobby 09-25-2014 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010059)
Only a law abiding, citizen fool would be in bad Chicago 'hoods and actually have a legal CC permit on them and be able to defend themselves.

I'm in a low crime area, Coppell TX., and ALWAYS have a Sig Sauer P227 (45 ACP double stack/3 clips) in an OWB holster, and a Charter Arms Undercover (38 spcl +P/4 speedloaders) in the X.

I keep PDX1 bonded/jacketed hollowpoints in both. 55 rounds, ready to go, if any criminals are feelin' froggy and jump!

Fixed it for you.

Unless you're former or current law enforcement there is more of a chance of seeing Elvis reincarnated than an ordinary citizen getting a CCW permit in Chicago. It's actually worse than Jersey (and our state is the same way, they tell have an application for a CCW but the state would never give you one). I had to LOL because its sad, and why I want to move South.

TiAgX5 09-25-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 1010061)
Fixed it for you.

Unless you're former or current law enforcement there is more of a chance of seeing Elvis reincarnated than an ordinary citizen getting a CCW permit in Chicago. It's actually worse than Jersey (and our state is the same way, they tell have an application for a CCW but the state would never give you one). I had to LOL because its sad, and why I want to move South.

Times are changing.

Illinois is now a "shall issue" state, CC law passed last year.

Non-resident CC permit holders (me :p:) are allowed to carry a firearm in their vehicle too.

bcredliner 09-25-2014 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010059)
Only a fool would be in bad Chicago 'hoods and not be packing (with CC permit).

I'm in a low crime area, Coppell TX., and ALWAYS have a Sig Sauer P227 (45 ACP double stack/3 clips) in an IWB holster, and a Charter Arms Undercover (38 spcl +P/4 speedloaders) in the X.

I keep PDX1 bonded/jacketed hollowpoints in both. 55 rounds, ready to go, if any criminals are feelin' froggy and jump!

I always carry 4 ply paper towels, 10 gauge duct tape and a 40 mm tarp.

Ricky Bobby 09-25-2014 06:15 PM

Tiag send me a link of that in PM. I must have missed it in the news, IL was a no issue state for as long as I can remember. NJ is a may issue state still but might as well be no issue since no one gets granted a CCW

TiAgX5 09-25-2014 10:12 PM

My neighbor is a lawyer here in TX, handles gun related cases.

Just talked to him and he gave me the statute #, 430 ILCS 66/10, passed in May 2013, ammended in Dec 2013.

He says New Jersey is still a "may issue" state, statute #, S2C:58-4, N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.1

upallnight 09-25-2014 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010099)
My neighbor is a lawyer here in TX, handles gun related cases.

Just talked to him and he gave me the statute #, 430 ILCS 66/10, passed in May 2013, ammended in Dec 2013.

He says New Jersey is still a "may issue" state, statute #, S2C:58-4, N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.1

Apparently that info hasn't been dissimulated to all the Gangbangers that is out every night shooting people.

The weekly shooting report is reported as nonchalantly as the weather for tomorrow.

TiAgX5 09-25-2014 11:22 PM

RB, you may want to do what I had to do in the late '80s.

Had a GF whose dad owned limo company, had towing contracts on major NY hwys, and several service stations. He knew high ranking police officers and used them as references on my CC application, also claimed I carried large sums of cash for deposit from his businesses.

My application was approved in under 1 week. Legally carried a Beretta 92FS 9mm for over 5 yrs in NY.

Legally pulled twice to prevent robbery, multiple perps each time, never fire a round, they RAN!

TiAgX5 09-26-2014 09:30 AM

Yeah, the Illinois CC law is screwy, only valid county by county.

If you don't get a CC in Cook County, you can't carry in Chicago.

TiAgX5 09-26-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1010102)
Apparently that info hasn't been dissimulated to all the Gangbangers that is out every night shooting people...

The message will eventually get out in the 'hoods.

Gangbangers will start confronting responsible CC citizens and see handguns pulled/fired in self defense.

It'll take a few dead gangbangers for the message to sink in.

EVERY state thats gone from "may issue" to "shall issue" CC laws has seen a HUGE drop in robbery, carjack, rape and home invasion/B&E stats.

I wonder why! :rolleyes:

When intended victims are confronted by a criminal, seconds count, and the police are a phone and minutes away! :confused:

Ricky Bobby 09-26-2014 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010142)
The message will eventually get out in the 'hoods.

Gangbangers will start confronting responsible CC citizens and see handguns pulled/fired in self defense.

It'll take a few dead gangbangers for the message to sink in.

EVERY state thats gone from "may issue" to "shall issue" CC laws has seen a HUGE drop in robbery, carjack, rape and home invasion/B&E stats.

I wonder why! :rolleyes:

When intended victims are confronted by a criminal, seconds count, and the police are a phone and minutes away! :confused:


And this is why I intend to move to a shall issue state such as the Free Republic of Texas.

Thanks for the tips Tiag but I dont have enough pull nor do I want to deal with the red tape in Jersey, even in the 1 in a million chance I could pull it off its way too much hassle in a state with this little regard for 2nd amendment rights.

Anyways back on topic...

upallnight 09-26-2014 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010139)
Yeah, the Illinois CC law is screwy, only valid county by county.

If you don't get a CC in Cook County, you can't carry in Chicago.

That hasn't stop the Gangbangers from carrying and packing.

nigwhyrito 09-26-2014 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhordmclain (Post 1010051)
Skip the dealership

Here are your alternative Indy Shops:

BMW Repair Shops in Chicago, IL | Independent BMW Service in Chicago, IL | BimmerShops.com

Bavarian Motors
27 N. May Street
Chicago, IL 60607

Bimmer Werkshop
4425 West Montrose
Chicago, IL 60641

N.C.A. Motorsports
5801 W. Dempster
Morton Grove, IL 60053

Bavarian Auto Werke
16309 107 Ave.
, Suite 1
Orland Park, IL 60491


thanks ill look them up.. im in the suburbs though near Great Mistakes, I mean lakes.. lake county area.

Ricky Bobby 09-26-2014 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upallnight (Post 1010146)
That hasn't stop the Gangbangers from carrying and packing.

And it will never stop the Gangbangers from carrying and packing.

Which is why all 50 states in the Union should be "shall issue" states. If I'm a law abiding mentally stable citizen and gun owner I should be allowed to apply and receive a CCW, the thugs and hoods and criminals are always going to carry heat no matter what Joe Law says about it.

Our elected officials seem to not realize that however...

bcredliner 09-26-2014 12:03 PM

Is there a BMW in here someplace?

TiAgX5 09-26-2014 02:46 PM

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Got a nice X5 pic here.

Made by Sig Sauer.:rofl:

Quicksilver 09-26-2014 04:20 PM

Post #1 thru Post #3 after that who knows what happened. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1010168)
Is there a BMW in here someplace?


TiAgX5 09-26-2014 05:16 PM

OK, just kidding.

Back on topic.

dolbyX5 01-10-2015 03:19 PM

TiAg, how do you keep your 38 in the x5? I'm trying to come up with a way to secure my XD9 in my E53 and haven't found an option I like.

Ricky Bobby 01-10-2015 03:29 PM

Dolby, if you look through old posts by PropellerHead he has a sick holster for his Glock I believe, it's tucked between the console and seat, clipped at the bottom. Perfect location I just don't know if he modified a belt holster or bought something different.

Paging PropellerHead....

TiAgX5 01-10-2015 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dolbyX5 (Post 1023169)
TiAg, how do you keep your 38 in the x5? I'm trying to come up with a way to secure my XD9 in my E53 and haven't found an option I like.


I keep it in a Blackhawk #8 IWB holster clipped inside the center console.

dolbyX5 01-11-2015 01:48 PM

Thanks. Hope you never need it. I was trying to avoid the center console, but it may be the only real option.

Ricky Bobby 01-12-2015 11:36 AM

Here is the pic and post from PropellerHead (hope he doesnt mind me copy/pasting:

http://www.xoutpost.com/attachments/...small-copy.jpg

"The holster is actually a really simple solution. It's a belt clip holster. I used one of those plastic door puller tools to pull the carpeted cover away from the console and dropped the clip behind it. It makes for a great spot and very handy."

dolbyX5 01-30-2015 09:55 PM

Thanks Ricky Bobby, that's very helpful. I'm thinking a sneaky pete holster for added descretion.

TiAgX5 01-31-2015 12:07 AM

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I don't recommend keeping a firearm in open site inside the vehicle.

If you're in an altercation and the other person sees it, a call to the PD and a claim that you pulled it on him will have you charged. Had a friend in FL who had this happen. It's a felony offense, kiss the CC permit bye-bye.

Ricky Bobby 01-31-2015 12:44 PM

^^^good tip Tiag, nothing wrong with center console either.

Love your Pachmayr grip, I have one on my Taurus model 65 short barrel .357/.38 as well and wouldn't shoot without it.

Rm2grow 01-31-2015 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1010142)
The message will eventually get out in the 'hoods.

Gangbangers will start confronting responsible CC citizens and see handguns pulled/fired in self defense.

It'll take a few dead gangbangers for the message to sink in.

EVERY state thats gone from "may issue" to "shall issue" CC laws has seen a HUGE drop in robbery, carjack, rape and home invasion/B&E stats.

I wonder why! :rolleyes:

When intended victims are confronted by a criminal, seconds count, and the police are a phone and minutes away! :confused:

These are some hilarious threads that are totally unrelated to X5's. Men frightened of gangs in Chicago to the point of thinking that they'd need guns while in the city. It makes me think of the young ladies on the subway or walking home at 2a.m. armed only their quick wit and intelligence. They aren't afraid. Folks in gangs tend to hang around the same places, where they do their "business". So unless you're out to score some illegal substances, your encounters will be close to nil. If anyone is really that worried about the slim chance of their safety being compromised on the streets...don't forget to wear your helmet when driving around in your X5. P.S. If you guys are really just itching to shoot another person...try Rush St. after the bars close on Friday night. Plenty of frat boys looking to rumble.

Quicksilver 01-31-2015 05:45 PM

Or join the armed forces……….

TiAgX5 01-31-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby (Post 1025883)
^^^good tip Tiag, nothing wrong with center console either.

Love your Pachmayr grip, I have one on my Taurus model 65 short barrel .357/.38 as well and wouldn't shoot without it.

Yeah, the Pachmayr grip transformed the feel/control (it's the Combat Pro model). Made it a pleasure to shoot. I put 50 rounds per month thru it and the Sig Sauer P227 .45 ACP I carry.

TiAgX5 02-01-2015 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rm2grow (Post 1025906)
These are some hilarious threads that are totally unrelated to X5's. Men frightened of gangs in Chicago to the point of thinking that they'd need guns while in the city. It makes me think of the young ladies on the subway or walking home at 2a.m. armed only their quick wit and intelligence. They aren't afraid. Folks in gangs tend to hang around the same places, where they do their "business". So unless you're out to score some illegal substances, your encounters will be close to nil. If anyone is really that worried about the slim chance of their safety being compromised on the streets...don't forget to wear your helmet when driving around in your X5. P.S. If you guys are really just itching to shoot another person...try Rush St. after the bars close on Friday night. Plenty of frat boys looking to rumble.

Not frightened at all, just unwilling to sacrifice my or loved ones safety/lives should an altercation arise.

The fact that criminals "tend to hang around the same places" does not reduce the risk of crime/harm in areas where they don't tend to hang to zero (as if travelers would know what areas of the country are safe).

If you're willing to bet your and your loved ones lives that you will NEVER be in a situation where you would need a firearm, than don't carry.

The comment that ANYONE is "itching" to shoot another person is ridiculous. Responsible armed citizens are "Hoping for the best, and prepared for the worst" in public.

If you could live with yourself knowing that the death of a loved one could have been averted, had you been able to take control of a armed confrontation, than you're a stronger man then me.

Jungerishere 02-01-2015 10:45 AM

Are those hollow-point bullets in the picture? If so, why would you need hollow-points?

I'm sure you are responsible gun owner but there are many reasons why it is illegal to keep concealed gun(s) in the car from most states.

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1025855)
I don't recommend keeping a firearm in open site inside the vehicle.
If you're in an altercation and the other person sees it, a call to the PD and a claim that you pulled it on him will have you charged. Had a friend in FL who had this happen. It's a felony offense, kiss the CC permit bye-bye.

http://www.xoutpost.com/attachments/...sc03012-2-.jpg


Alex35X 02-01-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jungerishere (Post 1025970)
Are those hollow-point bullets in the picture? If so, why would you need hollow points.

Many people mistake hollow points as "evil". In fact, they are much safer for personal defense. Because of their design, the bullet stops quickly. Energy is dissipated into the target. These bullets don't penetrate walls or people and thereby don't hit your neighbor etc.

TiAgX5 02-01-2015 09:50 PM

Alex35X got it right.

I actually use PDX1 hollowpoints (been loading them since back in the '80s, when they were labeled Black Talons), these are bonded/jacketed. They don't fragment or shed the copper jacket off the lead core when used (expand to over 1.6 cal dia.). Should a person be hit with a round and survive, the ER doctor only has to remove one piece, not multiple pieces.

If I had a choice of taking a hollowpoint round, it would be one that remains intact.

FBI trials showed the PDX1 retains around 99.9% of pre-fired weight.

ants_oz 02-01-2015 09:56 PM

I was a fed for 10 years here in Aus. I hunted recreationally since I was about 7 years old, and continue to this day. I've shot in the World Police and Fire Games, and the Australia, New Zealand Police Games with a degree of success. Good times. My current firearms collection extends to 5 - 3 rifles and two shotguns. Thinking of getting back into handguns (competitively) this year though, as my son reaches legal age for supervised range use and has expressed a strong interest. The one thing that never ceases to amaze me with those who are anti-gun is their complete and utter lack of knowledge of some of the most basic principles relating to firearms, ammunition, ballistics etc. And that basic lack of understanding is evidenced in the totally inane comments many of them make when speaking out against the use, ownership, carriage etc of firearms. Sometimes you just have to stare, shake your head and think to yourself "Wow, you really ARE ignorant aren't you".

Alex35X 02-01-2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1026019)
[...] "Wow, you really ARE ignorant aren't you".

Sometimes that is all you can say!

TiAgX5 - thanks. I personalty have some Ranger T's in my guns.

Where do you guys think I could conceal this Benelli M4? :D

http://i58.tinypic.com/mt9et1.jpg

ants_oz 02-01-2015 10:38 PM

Hey, Alex35X! Cut it out! You guys get all the best kit, and it makes me envious :)

Alex35X 02-01-2015 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1026025)
Hey, Alex35X! Cut it out! You guys get all the best kit, and it makes me envious :)

Since this post is seriously off track from the broken X5...Only one more!

Full auto suppressed Uzi 9mm
http://i58.tinypic.com/2z99y05.png

TiAgX5 02-01-2015 11:14 PM

We have to move this discussion over to the lounge B4 other Xout members get pissed off.

Jungerishere 02-02-2015 12:07 AM

I know what hollow-points are and why they are design that way. And reason why most law enforcement used them. But thanks for clarifying something that as if I didn’t know already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex35X (Post 1025996)
Many people mistake hollow points as "evil". In fact, they are much safer for personal defense. Because of their design, the bullet stops quickly. Energy is dissipated into the target. These bullets don't penetrate walls or people and thereby don't hit your neighbor etc.


Jungerishere 02-02-2015 12:08 AM

Good for you.

I’m definitely not anti-gun as I own P99 for over 10 years and go shooting range once in a while with friends. But please enlighten me with all the benefits of having concealed handgun(s) in a car in modern society. I’m having hard time believing that you guys are in fear for your lives while driving and insist on having guns in your cars for protection.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1026019)
I was a fed for 10 years here in Aus. I hunted recreationally since I was about 7 years old, and continue to this day. I've shot in the World Police and Fire Games, and the Australia, New Zealand Police Games with a degree of success. Good times. My current firearms collection extends to 5 - 3 rifles and two shotguns. Thinking of getting back into handguns (competitively) this year though, as my son reaches legal age for supervised range use and has expressed a strong interest. The one thing that never ceases to amaze me with those who are anti-gun is their complete and utter lack of knowledge of some of the most basic principles relating to firearms, ammunition, ballistics etc. And that basic lack of understanding is evidenced in the totally inane comments many of them make when speaking out against the use, ownership, carriage etc of firearms. Sometimes you just have to stare, shake your head and think to yourself "Wow, you really ARE ignorant aren't you".


ants_oz 02-02-2015 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jungerishere (Post 1026042)
Good for you.

I’m definitely not anti-gun as I own P99 for over 10 years and go shooting range once in a while with friends. But please enlighten me with all the benefits of having concealed handgun(s) in a car in modern society. I’m having hard time believing that you guys are in fear for your lives while driving and insist on having guns in your cars for protection.

Get off your high horse mate. Who says I was referring to you?

Besides, unless it's not obvious enough from my post and the location in my header, I live in Australia. The firearms laws here are more than just a little different to what you are used to.

If you're gonna quote someone's post, have legitimate reference to what they said. Otherwise, naff off.

:)

Jungerishere 02-02-2015 01:54 AM

I said "Good for you." for your quote. :rolleyes:

I'll naff off. If I stay and argue, you would probably beat me with ignorance. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1026047)
If you're gonna quote someone's post, have legitimate reference to what they said. Otherwise, naff off.

:)


Jungerishere 02-02-2015 01:58 AM

Sorry, I went way off topic.

ants_oz 02-02-2015 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jungerishere (Post 1026051)
I said "Good for you." for your quote. :rolleyes:

I'll naff off. If I stay and argue, you would probably beat me with ignorance. :)


LOL, ah, insults. Pleased to see you were able to stoop so low. You see, where I come from "good for you" is a sarcastic insult. If you meant something different, then I apologise for biting.

TiAgX5 02-02-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jungerishere (Post 1026042)
Good for you.

I’m definitely not anti-gun as I own P99 for over 10 years and go shooting range once in a while with friends. But please enlighten me with all the benefits of having concealed handgun(s) in a car in modern society. I’m having hard time believing that you guys are in fear for your lives while driving and insist on having guns in your cars for protection.


In the past few months we've had several carjackings at gas stations in the Lewisville/Flower Mound area. One vehicle was taken from the owner at knifepoint while pumping gas (he was also forced to hand over his wallet).
Another attempted carjacking was an armed bank robber who had a damaged getaway car, crashed into a gas pump, tried to jack an SUV, was shot by vehicle owner, police arrived on location around a minute later.

We've even had several drive-thru robberies while vehicles are ordering food or getting cash from drive thru ATMs.

Most concealed carry holders are aware that it's better to have a firearm and not need it than to need a firearm and NOT have it.

The console firearm is actually my back-up gun, I carry a Sig P227 full size 45ACP. The wife, boys (age 15, 16 and 21) and I travel in the X, some fuel stations in unfamiliar areas require you to go inside to swipe the credit card.

We choose to be prepared if things go sideways, both inside and at the pump.

Alex35X 02-02-2015 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1026074)
We choose to be prepared if things go sideways,

To me, carrying a gun is no different than carrying a spare tire and a couple wrenches.

I don't leave my house thinking "I am afraid of those nails on the highway. I must protect myself at all costs"

I carry a gun for the 1/million chance that something goes wrong. I have friends who were pummeled by thugs, in decent neighborhood, while doing things like pumping gas, getting groceries etc. I am not afraid - the criminals should be afraid of my 18 friends who can outrun them.

Rm2grow 02-02-2015 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex35X (Post 1026083)
To me, carrying a gun is no different than carrying a spare tire and a couple wrenches.

I don't leave my house thinking "I am afraid of those nails on the highway. I must protect myself at all costs"

I carry a gun for the 1/million chance that something goes wrong. I have friends who were pummeled by thugs, in decent neighborhood, while doing things like pumping gas, getting groceries etc. I am not afraid - the criminals should be afraid of my 18 friends who can outrun them.

Listen, I've owned an FAL and still own an old Ruger P90. I'm clearly not anti-gun. And like other gun owners, I've enjoyed weekly trips to the range and killing beer cans in MI. The problem is this: I just really thought I could be on a forum...an AUTO forum, for once and not have the "gotta' watch out for them evil gang bangers, keep em loaded boys" kind of conversation. In my opinion, it's usually "code talk" of a bunch of closeted supremacist further perpetuating the idea that "they" are a threat, all the time, everywhere and that dealing with complex societal problems is best done with bullets(hollow points or otherwise). "They" usually meaning "innately violent" people who don't look like us and threaten our "freedoms". There are more than enough places online to voice those opinions...all day friggin' long, if that's what you're into. I chimed in because I'm frustrated that these misguided, simple minded, concepts seem to work their way into just about every conversation these day. I'm tired of it. This isn't a gun or a "survivalist" forum, so not having to hear anymore of the BS, should be a reasonable request. I understand that, somewhat hypocritically, I've just contributed to it and that I've made some assumptions. So, my apologies. Now, how about we just squash this entire GUN and killing conversation and get back to talking, helping each other out, etc. regarding X5's. Pretty please..with a cherry on top. Besides, it seems like we've all got a common enemy - we call them stealerships and I believe that's why this thread was started. ;)

Rm2grow 02-02-2015 01:42 PM

Haha! As I suspected...a circle-jerk.

TiAgX5 02-02-2015 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rm2grow (Post 1026097)
Listen, I've owned an FAL and still own an old Ruger P90. I'm clearly not anti-gun. And like other gun owners, I've enjoyed weekly trips to the range and killing beer cans in MI. The problem is this: I just really thought I could be on a forum...an AUTO forum, for once and not have the "gotta' watch out for them evil gang bangers, keep em loaded boys" kind of conversation. In my opinion, it's usually "code talk" of a bunch of closeted supremacist further perpetuating the idea that "they" are a threat, all the time, everywhere and that dealing with complex societal problems is best done with bullets(hollow points or otherwise). "They" usually meaning "innately violent" people who don't look like us and threaten our "freedoms". There are more than enough places online to voice those opinions...all day friggin' long, if that's what you're into. I chimed in because I'm frustrated that these misguided, simple minded, concepts seem to work their way into just about every conversation these day. I'm tired of it. This isn't a gun or a "survivalist" forum, so not having to hear anymore of the BS, should be a reasonable request. I understand that, somewhat hypocritically, I've just contributed to it and that I've made some assumptions. So, my apologies. Now, how about we just squash this entire GUN and killing conversation and get back to talking, helping each other out, etc. regarding X5's. Pretty please..with a cherry on top. Besides, it seems like we've all got a common enemy - we call them stealerships and I believe that's why this thread was started. ;)

As I stated prior, needs to be continued in the lounge.

Jungerishere 02-02-2015 02:07 PM

Sorry to hear that you have to deal with stuff like that. I understand your position. I guess that’s where we are apart. I don’t believe any of my cars or my wallet is worth someone’s life. And there is a good chance by pulling a gun, things can turn from bad to worse. I totally believe in protecting your home and family but taking lethal weapon to public places is where I disagree with. Anyways, enough chant from me. Back to the stealership thread.

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1026074)
In the past few months we've had several carjackings at gas stations in the Lewisville/Flower Mound area. One vehicle was taken from the owner at knifepoint while pumping gas (he was also forced to hand over his wallet).
Another attempted carjacking was an armed bank robber who had a damaged getaway car, crashed into a gas pump, tried to jack an SUV, was shot by vehicle owner, police arrived on location around a minute later.

We've even had several drive-thru robberies while vehicles are ordering food or getting cash from drive thru ATMs.

Most concealed carry holders are aware that it's better to have a firearm and not need it than to need a firearm and NOT have it.

The console firearm is actually my back-up gun, I carry a Sig P227 full size 45ACP. The wife, boys (age 15, 16 and 21) and I travel in the X, some fuel stations in unfamiliar areas require you to go inside to swipe the credit card.

We choose to be prepared if things go sideways, both inside and at the pump.


TiAgX5 02-02-2015 02:19 PM

Gun discussion has been moved to "off topic" (Lounge)

This dealership thread is WAY off the rails!

edogg 02-02-2015 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jungerishere (Post 1026106)
Sorry to hear that you have to deal with stuff like that. I understand your position. I guess that’s where we are apart. I don’t believe any of my cars or my wallet is worth someone’s life. And there is a good chance by pulling a gun, things can turn from bad to worse. I totally believe in protecting your home and family but taking lethal weapon to public places is where I disagree with. Anyways, enough chant from me. Back to the stealership thread.

Here's a result of not being able to protect yourself while driving. These guys weren't out for stealing a car or wallet. They were out to get revenge for some road rage.

2nd arrest in NYC bikers' alleged road rage assault - CBS News

Basically, a bunch of bikers got pissed at a guy driving around in an SUV. After a couple of escape attempts, the SUV got stuck in traffic where the bikers caught back up. Then bashed his window in with a helmet, drug the driver out of the car, and started beating him in front of his wife and kid.

And, also, crap can happen anywhere, not just in the inner city where gangs are hanging out.

For those that don't know, Bellevue is a very wealthy and fancy city. Bellevue Square is an upscale shopping mall. And a couple years ago, there was a random shooting there.

Man fatally shot at busy Bellevue Square bar | www.kirotv.com

TiAgX5 02-02-2015 02:46 PM

Guys, gun stuff here.....

http://www.xoutpost.com/off-topic/lo...ic-debate.html


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