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TurnAround 03-01-2015 01:12 PM

Ahh, excellent! Thanks TiAg.

admranger 03-02-2015 12:26 AM

Toe in. Front and rear. More in the rear.

ants_oz 03-02-2015 12:49 AM

Um...toe-in in the rear will kill any directional responsiveness the car has, and will also start to chew the inside edges of the tyres.

BMWX5CHI 03-02-2015 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1029055)
Front total toe; 18', +/- 10'
" camber; -12', +/- 20'

Rear total toe; 18', +/- 10'
" camber; -1. degree 50', +/- 20'


Are those the factory specs ?

dkl 03-02-2015 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1029105)
Um...toe-in in the rear will kill any directional responsiveness the car has, and will also start to chew the inside edges of the tyres.

No, toe-out in the rear is what chews the inside edges of the tyres. Toe-in actually helps even out the wear of the inside edges of the "tyres".

TiAgX5 03-02-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1029055)
Front total toe; 18', +/- 10'
" camber; -12', +/- 20'

Rear total toe; 18', +/- 10'
" camber; -1. degree 50', +/- 20'

These are factory specs.

As I mentioned prior, I set to MINIMUM factory specs....

My front and rear total toe is around 10' (1/6th of 1 degree TOTAL, 1/12 of a degree on each side)

F camber (-12', +/- 20' spec) has a tolerance that allows for positive camber. I don't like positive camber, and set to around -10' (1/6th of 1 degree).

I actually mounted a dial indicator and adjusted the rear camber adjusters to the minimum camber. It checked around -1 degree 20' (1.33 degrees) during alignment.

Camber with minimum toe will not wear the inner edge of the tires.

Camber and excessive toe eats the inner tire edge.

admranger 03-02-2015 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkl (Post 1029117)
No, toe-out in the rear is what chews the inside edges of the tyres. Toe-in actually helps even out the wear of the inside edges of the "tyres".

Yep.

ants-oz: Try toe out in the rear once, take a spirited drive and report back on how your car handles. Expert tip: Pay your car and health insurance first. :thumbup:

ants_oz 03-03-2015 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admranger (Post 1029250)
Yep.

ants-oz: Try toe out in the rear once, take a spirited drive and report back on how your car handles. Expert tip: Pay your car and health insurance first. :thumbup:


Why on earth would I want to setup my vehicle so that it wants to swap directions with the least provocation?

TiAgX5 03-03-2015 09:29 AM

Understand that I don't agree with go-cart handling on a street vehicle also.

My posts in this thread were strictly "the first step" in setting up a vehicle for improved response/reduced deflection/reduced tire wear (less tire scrub for improved hwy mpg). My alignment settings are strictly street specs.

My X will see it's first track days during the Sebring 12 hrs speed week.

admranger 03-05-2015 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1029264)
Why on earth would I want to setup my vehicle so that it wants to swap directions with the least provocation?

B/C you said

Quote:

Originally Posted by ants_oz (Post 1029264)
Um...toe-in in the rear will kill any directional responsiveness the car has, and will also start to chew the inside edges of the tyres.


This way you won't chew up your tires and you'll have that directional responsiveness you're looking for. :stickpoke

In all seriousness, if you want more responsiveness, add negative camber and set the toe in to minimum specs all around.


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