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this is what some of the guys in the UK are getting for mpg on the diesel.

http://www.x5drivers.co.uk/viewtopic...22cd6&start=45

Given the choice I would always choose diesel.

Give it a remap :thumbup:

If the car you choose to drive is based on fuel cost, get a Toyota Prius with 48 MPG.

If you choose to drive something you enjoy, don't let the engine choice drive your decision IMO.

For kicks here are the annual fuel cost from best to worst. Based on 12k miles/yr and $3.50 gal.

Prius $875
Mini $1,312
328i $1,826
X5 3.0i $2,333
X5 4.8i $3,000
Hummer $4,667

Since the difference between driving a 328i and the X5 4.8i is only $1,174 year, I'll take the versitility and speed of a BMW V8 SAV!!!

It's even an easier choice between the 3.0i and 4.8i for me for a mere $700 extra per year.

Come on guys, the X5 is a $70K car, what's $700 more per year?

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Don't forget those are imperial MPG. 27mpg there is 22.5mpg here. Still better than the gasoline versions in terms of mpg (not necessarily cost) of course.

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Originally Posted by SpeedR

Come on guys, the X5 is a $70K car, what's $700 more per year?

Well when you ask it like that, it's nothing. But the diff between a 3.0si and a 4.8i is $700/year + $9k cost. Over 5 years, that's over $12k. Or vice versa, wanna save $12k? Better engine most people won't fully use... that's the deciding factor in most cases.

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Originally Posted by rh71

Don't forget those are imperial MPG. 27mpg there is 22.5mpg here. Still better than the gasoline versions in terms of mpg (not necessarily cost) of course.

I don't choose diesel because of the possible savings you might get.

I choose diesels because I prefer them.

Although they will never sound like a V8. Just imagine buying a diesel then being able to fit an exhaust that makes it sound like the V8 engine.

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Originally Posted by Scottie

Just imagine buying a diesel then being able to fit an exhaust that makes it sound like the V8 engine.

:thumbup:Yes. But is this possibe? Please can anyone tell me is it possible to get sport sound from diesel exhaust ? There are so many diesel drivers in Europe, Somone must know it.

And for the diesel saving for everyone is different. Somebody drive mostly in city,somebody drive mostly in highway. somebody drive 10000km/year,somebody 100000km/year.If you drive small city car like VW Polo and you drive 10000km/year mostly in town is pointees to shoose diesel over small,fast and quiet gas engine,for example.

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Originally Posted by JCL

The rabid enthusiasm for diesels continues. Just for laughs, I worked out the annual fuel savings for a Mercedes diesel. I used an ML320cdi, and an ML350. This is an X5 forum, so it seems that model is a better comparison than the E320cdi IMO. I used the published Mercedes city fuel consumption figures (11 l/100 km, and 14.1 l/100 km). I used 12,000 km per year, my average mileage. Then I went to Vancouvergasprices.com, our local fuel price web site, and took the average local fuel prices of 1.229 per litre for gasoline, 1.299 per litre for diesel (that is a difference of 26 cents per US gallon, which seems to be a representative US price premium as well from coments on the board).

The price premium for the Mercedes CDI diesel is $1500 in Canada. Probably about what a BMW price premium will be.

Assume similar maintenance costs, similar resale values. The payback period for the diesel is 4.1 years in city driving. The payback for highway driving is 6.6 years. That is to just to get to break even. For mixed highway/city, it is about a 5 year payback. Now consider that diesel prices are likely to increase faster than gasoline prices due to limited supply, and it looks even worse. And, bonus, you get a diesel that is slower and noisier. Even better, you have to fill the urea tank as well as the fuel tank. Torque is much higher, but it is irrelevant, as the diesel has 53 hp less and is slower to accelerate.

Agree that if you drive a lot more than I do, the payback would be quicker.

Is this a valid comparison for an X5? It is directionally correct. Some may get a payback sooner. But for me, keeping my vehicles for 3 years average, I would always be behind. But we continue to hear about the amazing diesels coming to our shores. BMW should keep them in Europe. Want to save money on fuel? Drive less.

JCL,
My 2005 X5 Diesel, 6 speed manual uses 8.6L/100km as a long term city/country driving average. Drove it on a round trip from Brisbane to Sydney last week, 2200km. Trip south average= 6.9L/100km. Trip north 7.2L/100km. Your 11L and 14L/100km seems to be way off. Keep your power, give me torque any day.
Colin.

In response to Quiksilver, I have driven new, modern BMW and MBZ Diesel models in Germany (S320 CDI, 530d, A180 CDI and an Audi A4 diesel).

They are NOT noisy and they sound just like a gasoline engine...if you really, really listen you can probably tell it's a diesel, maybe, but it is nothing like years ago.

They were fast as hell, and NO sooty exhaust at all...even during hard acceleration. 260 km/hr in the S-Class auf der Autobahn, and it was still accelerating

Maybe an X5 Diesel will not pay for itself quick enough, but a 3 or 5 Series Diesel, or a C or E Class diesel will pay for itself quite quickly.

2008 Mercedes E-Class numbers:

E320 Bluetec Diesel 400 lb-ft torque 23/32 mpg

E350 Gasoline model 258 lb-ft torque 17/24 mpg

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Originally Posted by fatboyoz

Good mileage figures. I got that sort of highway mileage on my Z4 3.0, but nowhere near on my X5, I never got better than 10.1 l/100 km on the highway.

The diesel mileage figures I used are the official published (Canadian) figures for the ML320, and I compared them to the ML350 figures on the same test cycle. They may not be absolutely correct, as you point out, but they illustrate a comparative difference in consumption, on that test cycle. Remember that your X5 doesn't meet North American emissions standards, so we will have to wait and see if BMW retained all of the mileage when that engine comes out. We do know that the power is down somewhat previous generation BMW diesels, from the early press releases.

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Originally Posted by deutsch100

Maybe an X5 Diesel will not pay for itself quick enough, but a 3 or 5 Series Diesel, or a C or E Class diesel will pay for itself quite quickly.

The problem is that a 320d will pay for itself nicely, but BMW won't bring them in, they will focus on the 335d due to North America's obsession with power.

Try the calculations yourself, using a 25-30 cent per gallon premium for diesel (at current prices). Add in the purchase premium. Figure out what the payback will be. Given the free market economy at work, I suggest that it will be a similar cost of ownership.

You are also comparing a forced induction engine with a naturally aspirated engine for both hp and torque. Whether they are diesel or gasoline fueled is besides the point, you would get a better comparison is they used the same induction, ie both turbocharged. Compare a 335 with a 335d, not a 350 with a 320cdi.