X5 / BMW model changes for 2009/2010
 

X5: Like the 3-series, the X5 gets the 265-hp, 3.0-liter turbo-diesel engine, which is legal in all 50 states. The diesel X5 will be badged the X5 35d. In mid-’09, it’s likely that BMW will introduce an M version of this sport-utility vehicle.

Z4: The current Z4 sports car remains in production until early ’09 and will then be replaced by an all-new model that features a retractable hardtop in place of the current car’s folding softtop. BMW likely will offer naturally aspirated and twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engines, making about 230 and 300 horsepower, respectively. The slow-selling Z4 coupe (along with the M version of the coupe and roadster) will go quietly to its grave.

3-series: The sedan and wagon versions of BMW’s bestseller get an exterior makeover that consists of a new hood and revised front and rear fascias. Models fitted with iDrive get the latest update of the system. The sedan also will be available with a 265-hp, 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder turbo-diesel engine for the first time in North America. The coupe and convertible models soldier on unchanged.

7-series: A new version of the range-topping sedan should arrive here in the first quarter of 2009. Available in both long- and short-wheelbase forms, its new styling is a lot less polarizing than was its predecessor’s. Underhood is BMW’s 400-hp, twin-turbo 4.4-liter V-8 that debuted in the X6. Expect the 750i to be priced similarly to the outgoing model and feature the latest, greatest version of iDrive and a more sophisticated active steering system. The V-12–engined 760Li departs, at least for the time being.

Unchanged: M3, M5, M6, X3, X6,
1-series, 5-series, 6-series.

Dead: Alpina B7, Z4 coupe, Z4 M.

Source

I may add:
1-series gets the new iDrive/hard drive based Navigation with 2009.
3-series coupe/M3 coupe will get facelift in 2nd half of 2009 for 2010 models.
M3 sedan gets facelifted like 3-series with new iDrive/hard drive based Navigation and LeMans blue exterior color replaces Sparkling graphite
5-series, M5, X5, X6 will get the new iDrive/hard drive based Navigation early 2009. And some new colors/trims (from X6) for X5.
X3: Already posted 2009 X3 details in X3 forum
Z4: we will see the pics of new Z4 before the current gen is dead. Production has to move to Germany for new Z4 therefore it will stop in US.

Too bad about the Z4 Coupe. Love that car.

The Z4 will turn-out to be a classic design I am betting. I have a 2004 and hope they have some good close-out deals on the last 2009 models. It might be time to consider a trade-up to an M version as a long-term keeper.

turbos and diesels abound...it is about time :thumbup:

Updated the 1st post with my comments at the bottom. I will keep updating the post as and when I hear new stuff for 2009. I know there are more details specially for the X5. ;)

So, it looks like there is no TT I6 for the X5!

Unfortunately. But so glad I decided not to wait and see. ;)

And with the obvious market trend of people reacting to gas prices, paying $1 more per gallon of diesel than gasoline doesn't sound all that promising for big sales. I'll take one at under invoice though. :D

There should be a facelift for 2010 model year which could also add the TT I6. It would be a smart decision for BMW to do that since it adds more performance to the the 3.0 w/o sacrificing MPG.

35d is the new rig then, I was looking at the current .9% deal but to get a diesel would be great.

True but the torque and higher mileage should offset the difference. I see only about 35 cents difference in cost for my area.

Premium unleaded BP 93 octane here is 4.09.9, diesel 4.57.9

About 50 cents per gallon here...

Craig

Only 4.09.9 for premium? Lucky you. Here in the NY City metro area, premium is more like 4.70 (and that's down in the last few weeks)

Fuel here is down 20 cents per gallon this week...

Craig

I might go this weekend and put a deposit on X5 35d if they are willing to be fair in the price. I wanted to get the 2009 X6 two weeks a go, and they (another local dealer) wanted MSRP and gave me $ 3,000 below Edmunds value of my trade in. On top of that they said that value of my trade in will drop between $ 2-3K by the time it is built in October. I felt that I was being man handled and walked away. The Delta out the door was more than 51K.... I thought to myself I can keep my car and get 335i convertible.... Unfortunately I don't fit :(

I'll see how the other dealer act regarding the X35d, will they be reasonable or will they be stubborn?!

PS. My main attraction to the Diesel is the power combined with drving range. Otherwise I would be driving the 4.8 now.

X6s just came out and they are selling good so negotiation will be tough. As far as your trade, I doubt it's worth that much off the KBB on it---unless you have a huge SUV like a Suburban, etc. No dealer wants one of those.

Exactly how big are you you? I am 6'3" and 250 and have plenty of room in my 335i convertible - and can even fit my 5 year old son in the rear seat behind me.

It's an FX35 with evey option (except DVD) and in excellent condition. Edmunds trade value was 22,000. They gave me 19,000 and said that it would 16,500-17,00 in october. My impression is that it was not fair... If I am off I would appreciate the feed back, this is one the main values and functions of these forums. They give you a neutral and unbiased sounding board.

I am 6'6" 225 lbs. I sat in the 335 coupe (which I think is the best looking BMW) and I could not under any adjustment get my head straight.

Was the coupe with sun roof?

Yes!

I think that the convertible may have more headroom that the coupe so you may want to give it a try.

Sun roof eats up few inches. We have another member here who is tall as you and always orders his BMWs without sunroof.

I'll try one without the sunroof. To be honest, I didn't know that you get them without one!

By the way, I hope those who are against the X6/FX and SAC's in general start understanding why they have a strong following. Some of us view them as sport cars we could fit in :)

You can't in the U.S. The only option that you have for a 3 series coupe in the U.S. without a sunroof in the e92 M3.

get a convertible, whi off the roof and hope it never rains :)
6'6 - damn I'm 6'4 and things get tight for me

I ended up having to get the M3 cabriolet as the coupes roof was too low, the cab actually has a higher pitch on it

Special order. ;)

I've heard that BMW North America won't allow it. The sunroof is standard equipment on all U.S. bound e92s (other than the M3). Folks have tried to special order without a sunroof but I don't believe they have been successful.

:confused:
You're sure about the 265-hp? Doubt that, cause in Europe the X35d (called 3.0sd back here) got 286-hp and a torque of about 580nm. Would be strange if they gonna reduce power for the N.A. market...

Concerning Diesel prices I might give you an idea of where the journey goes to: filled up today and diesel is € 1,45 per litre, that makes it US-$ 2,28 per litre or US-$ 8,63 per gallon... :( :dunno:

Within 6 months, prices of Diesel and Premium became equal, whereas before it was about 25% difference in favor for Diesel engines...

> Would be strange if they gonna reduce power for the N.A. market...''

Not that unusal when you factor in the U.S. emissions. Quite often the U.S. versions of engine have lower rated HP. I don't know if it is still the case, but in years past I've noticed similar differences in U.S. vs. European engines.

Agree with Penguin. There are also two separate factors at work here. The first is the different measurement system for hp. The 3.0 tt six is rated 306 hp in the UK, and 300 hp in North America. It has the same power, just a different rating method.

The 286 hp diesel would therefore end up being about 280 hp in North America, if it was emissions-legal. It isn't. The new urea-injected diesel has been announced at 265 hp due to new engine mapping to meet stricter NA emissions laws. The torque doesn't seem to suffer as much as the hp does.

The worst part will be that this will effectively be a new engine (from a software standpoint, more than from an iron standpoint) so first year production stands to have the usual BMW introductory bugs when the diesels are introduced here. Add to that that no NA BMW dealership likely has technicians trained in diesel engine repairs, and it should be interesting.

For some reason there is a big variance between what Edmunds says and KBB. The trade on my X5 on Edmunds (which I've never looked at until now) shows $15K and KBB says $12K. And NADA is showing $16.5K. The dealer is probably using the KBB value when they are quoting you and that's why you are thinking they are low-balling you. I'm sure most dealers go by KBB. Again, I don't know why there is a big variance between them.

On a semi-related note, the X6 sunroof is pretty weak compared to the X5 panoroof... most likely due to the sloped rear half. :saad:

All right guys - I'm convinced... :thumbup:
Great and very interesting answers.
Never heard of ready-to-come "urea plans" back here.
Regards - X5_Newbie

I re-did the trade evaluation today and I think you are right:
- KBB 19,800
- Edmunds 20,950 (went down 1000 IN less than past three weeks)
- NADA 25,000

Seems like the dealer was not far off when they quoted me 19,000 if they were using KBB.

So far from what I have heard most of the changes to X5 will be happening in early spring 2009, when it also gets new iDrive & infotainment, hard drive based nav, ConnectedDrive etc,

Don't fill up in westport and the price plummets quite a bit :nanana:

New X5 badges as previously posted
X5 xDrive30d (Europe)
X5 xDrive35d,
X5 xDrive30i,
X5 xDrive48i,

And coming Soon!
X5 xDrive35i,
X5 xDrive50i.

It won't be "X5 xDrive50is"? :)

My brother is going to be devastated.
That B7 is :wow:

Nope. Since its decided now that there will be an X5 ///M. And ///M cars have different badging and identity.

I'm kinda glad that there won't be another iS...leaving some performance exclusivity to the E53. Still may not translate to better resale... :confused: ...
I just may keep her in the family now.

Any idea that when the X5 xDrive35i and X5 xDrive50i will be launched?

hopefully sooner.

Diesels Coming Sooner Than Thought
Also subject to great speculation and guessing was the planned launch date of the 335d and X5 xDrive35d. In recent weeks, the guessing game accelerated. Headlines such as “Confirmed: January 2009 launch for 335d and X5 xDrive35d” were spotted - but they were wrong.
Production of diesel-powered cars for the United States will start in September of this year and the cars will be available at your local BMW Center starting in November, around the time of the Greater Los Angeles Auto Show.
I’ll have an opportunity to perform in-depth testing of the new CIC-based iDrive and the 335d in the next few weeks and will report more then.
[/QUOTE]

Are they going to offer the 335 6?

> Production of diesel-powered cars for the United States will start in September of this year and the cars will be available at your local BMW Center starting in November

Why so long between production start and dealer availability?

Since this is a first time release of diesel X5 in US, they want to make sure that there are enough diesel X5s for each dealer in US at launch time. Given the amount of dealers in US there will be quite a few diesels X5s needed so that each dealer has at least one at launch time. November is target date, though some or most dealers may have it much before.

My dealer called me today and said production would be November with February delivery for X5 Diesel. Said the person who orders all of their cars called BMW NA for an update and this is what they were told as of last week.

Would it be possible to put biodiesel in the diesel X5? Can it be B100 or needs to be something like B20?

I don't think anything more than 5% bio diesel if I remember. It also has to run on ultra low sulfur diesel as well.

Craig

Per this release X5 diesels will start before end of this year.

Where in this release does it say X5 Diesel will be available for sale in the US in 2008?

All the release says is this: “We start making the diesel before the end of the year,” he said. BMW plans to introduce a diesel X5 sports activity vehicle into the U.S. market soon.

Sounds like my dealer is correct when they say November build, February delivery. Although I hope it sooner than this and the dealer is wrong.

I hope they have the bugs with the emission system figured out before they release the diesel. BMW shouldn't use their customers for r&d.

Craig

Did I say they will be available for sale?:confused:

You said:

November is target date, though some or most dealers may have it much before.

Other BMW press releases (Aug 6, 2008) have said it would start production in September with November delivery. When I presented this BMW press release to my dealer they checked with the manufacturer and were told that production starts November with delivery in Feb 2009.

It seems that no one really knows definitively when they will be available at dealers or for sale. From everything I've read and in talking with my dealer, it would seem that maybe the dealer might have one to show before year end but nothing will be available for purchase prior to 2008.

All points well taken, it's kind of a funny debate - which information is more reliable:

Internet Rumour

or

Car Salesman

you be the judge :dunno:


Tim

That was before the press release and it was in response to Penguin question on why it will take so long from start of production to availabiulity at dealer/sale. Per the latest release it will start before mid Dec and at dealers by Feb.

Imo, cut the picayune beefing at LM...
He is almost always "right on" with the
real skinny on BMW new model stuff.

He has some remarkable sources...
this isn't life, it's a car board.
GL,mD

So what is the current thinking on when we will see the X with the twin turbo six?

From the September issue of Roundel mag as attached below.
We know 2009 model pricing is already announced as posted here.

On another note, per latest rumor the the spring 2009 may bring us some good surprises and perhaps a new 2010 model.

:iagree:

LeMans knows what he is talking about. :thumbup:

That is insane power. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on 4.8. If true, I'll just keep riding no car payments and save money for the big dog.