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ard 02-13-2010 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABMW (Post 712064)
There are dozens of BMW forums, and nearly all of them have mention of the X5 error message I'm obtaining and it appears go back all the way to 2008, maybe farther.

I have no idea how many people sold their cars. We know already of one person on this forum: Craig, who has, and ordered a Lexus and others who have said they are doing the same. I've spoken directly to people who have sold their X5s for this exact reason, and reasons very similar to this. It's accurate to assume these vehicles will end up back on the street, in the hands of unsuspecting buyers.

We know that Consumer Reports is giving the car bad ratings. I know the service manager at my dealer reported that she's seen, in her words, "many" 35ds with identical issues.

Not everyone can afford to sell their car and take a $30k hit, and then buy another vehicle.

Personally ARD, I could care less about your doubts that this issue exists, or your knowledge of automobiles. Many know it exists, and it's not confined to BMW X5s by any means.

I've worked on vehicles all my life, restored cars from the ground up, built engines, restored motorcycles, and even planes and boats. What I can't do, nor can anyone else whom I know, is fix a modern vehicle that relies upon complex electronics. I can't repair a complex stability control system that's failed, or a faulty sensor, etc. While I'm handy with a soldering gun, and I've repaired more than a few circuit boards in my time, I'm not about to go monkeying around with the fuel system of my new $70k SUV.

But, since you're in such doubt, Don't take my word for it. This problem exists throughout the entire line, with most of the issues being the result of fuel pumps or other issues that relate to fuel transport from a vehicle's tank to it's engine.

Google the following phrase exactly: "Engine malfunction reduced power"

I have no doubt the issue exists.

I have rarely come across such a blowhard.

ABMW 02-13-2010 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard (Post 712070)
I have no doubt the issue exists.

I have rarely come across such a blowhard.

All in response to the liar comment ARD and the sarcasm, what do you expect after your comment? Roses? :D

Wagner 02-13-2010 08:49 AM

Not sure you can lump together every issue that prompts a "Engine Malfunction" error as related. The only thing relating them is the error respons triggered. The N54 issues is entirely to itself, but exceedingly dangerous. It is truly too bad that more service departments aren't like Russel BMW in Maryland, they would go out of their way to help with any issue I had. And BMW has had "issues" for a while. Going back to my new at the time 2003 M3 whose weather stripping fell off at 500-1000 miles, 545 that blew its active suspension, 645 that dropped its entire electronics stack (DVD-iDrive-Radio) and couldn't shut its sunroof....and so on and so forth. It isn't a new thing or a new experience the trick is finding a reliable SA. I don't know if ard doubted the existence of your specific issue but the implied notion that it was systemic through X5's and thusly something BMW is a manufacturer was inherently responsible for recalling.

jclarkv 02-13-2010 09:03 AM

Saw 'Reduce Engine Power' after (mis-)installing PTronic
 
I've seen the reduce engine power light before. It happened after I installed a PTronic unit on my X5 35d. I turns out I didn't have the connections seated all the way. One if forced the connections together even more, the light went away.

This is at least one instance where it had nothing to do with fuel.

jclarkv

Quicksilver 02-13-2010 03:29 PM

ABMW;

Sounds to me like you should seriously consider
setting up a web site devoted to the issues you
have discussed in this and other threads.

Not that you comments are not welcomed but
perhaps the site would garner the comments
and accurate information you require going
forward and would not be subject to the debate
you encounter hereabouts.

That information can then be delivered to the
interested authorities who can resolve the issues
you claim so many people have.

When your site is set up please
Point us to the link then all
of us can look at the accumulated accurate
complaints and join in where needed.

Regards B&R

ABMW 02-13-2010 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver (Post 712193)
ABMW;

Sounds to me like you should seriously consider
setting up a web site devoted to the issues you
have discussed in this and other threads.

Not that you comments are not welcomed but
perhaps the site would garner the comments
and accurate information you require going
forward and would not be subject to the debate
you encounter hereabouts.

That information can then be delivered to the
interested authorities who can resolve the issues
you claim so many people have.

When your site is set up please
Point us to the link then all
of us can look at the accumulated accurate
complaints and join in where needed.

Regards B&R


B&R,

It would appear to me and various others that this is an appropriate forum for this subject. Setting up a website, that others can find, is exceedingly difficult and would take many months in order for search engines to register it appropriately unless one were to type in exact search engine words, or if I were to spend a fortune in purchasing google ad words. I see no need to take that step.

What steps I do feel would be helpful, not only to this thread, but to many others contained herein this forum are as follows and with due respect.

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What's dismaying is the fact that moderators are not present "to assist" in keeping threads on topic when specific individuals "dirty" a thread.

Be this a fuel pump issue, or an issue caused by Aliens from Mars, it's an issue nonetheless.

This is an X5 forum, and a place to voice such issues and enlist the help of fellow X5 owners.

It would be helpful to all, if more of the threads on this board were moderated. By no means am I suggesting censorship, but when individuals hijack threads with personal attacks, instead of relevant information, the strength of the subject is lost and diluted to the point that devolution takes place, and moderation is required, even if that moderation is in the form of a "please keep on topic warning" as is common etiquette throughout the world of Internet forums.

Devolution is precisely what's happened here. So, with due respect, to the moderators, and to you if you happen to be one, please keep tabs on what's going on with your board so that the owners of vehicles affected by this issue, and other issues, are not having to defend positions that are irrelevant to the topic of their concern and the X5 vehicle in general.

Constructive debate is fine and helpful. Calling someone a liar, in the face of evidenced facts, is absurd. If one wants to confine my comments specifically to this thread, they need only perform a search of this very forum to find far more than 3 or 4 individuals who are experiencing identical issues to the one I am, regardless of the cause.

Implying that this is a subject that would best be posted elsewhere, which is the underlying message of your post is negligent, given your status as a "senior" member of this board.

If we can spend 10-pages discussing battery discharging issues, that only a handful of people are having (of which those individuals were also met with hostility), than we can certainly "stand" to read reports of stalling, brand new, vehicles.

With that said, I digress. This particular thread is beyond help, at this point. To me, and I'm sure to many others, that's a shame.

Enjoy your weekend.

Wagner 02-13-2010 06:25 PM

Ahem, this board has been very well maintained for far longer than you have been a member and helped COUNTLESS numbers. Just because you didn't garner the responses you like by no means calls the mods into question. Please, scamper off and find people of like minds who don't ask you to verify your comments. And please, when people call to questions your reports or those "NHTSA" reports, don't ultimately assume they called you a liar. Sorry if some didn't agree with your every chirp as absolute fact. It really is no wonder why your SA didn't feel like helping you and in the grand scheme of things I don't think BMWNA or otherwise fears you not spending maybe 200K with them every 3-5 years. (or even 50 people not buying them)

I wouldn't have replied with such attitude if you didn't confront people who have been on this board for nearly half a decade helping others.

Thunder22 02-13-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABMW (Post 712209)
B&R,

It would appear to me and various others that this is an appropriate forum for this subject. Setting up a website, that others can find, is exceedingly difficult and would take many months in order for search engines to register it appropriately unless one were to type in exact search engine words, or if I were to spend a fortune in purchasing google ad words. I see no need to take that step.

What steps I do feel would be helpful, not only to this thread, but to many others contained herein this forum are as follows and with due respect.

-------

What's dismaying is the fact that moderators are not present "to assist" in keeping threads on topic when specific individuals "dirty" a thread.

Be this a fuel pump issue, or an issue caused by Aliens from Mars, it's an issue nonetheless.

This is an X5 forum, and a place to voice such issues and enlist the help of fellow X5 owners.

It would be helpful to all, if more of the threads on this board were moderated. By no means am I suggesting censorship, but when individuals hijack threads with personal attacks, instead of relevant information, the strength of the subject is lost and diluted to the point that devolution takes place, and moderation is required, even if that moderation is in the form of a "please keep on topic warning" as is common etiquette throughout the world of Internet forums.

Devolution is precisely what's happened here. So, with due respect, to the moderators, and to you if you happen to be one, please keep tabs on what's going on with your board so that the owners of vehicles affected by this issue, and other issues, are not having to defend positions that are irrelevant to the topic of their concern and the X5 vehicle in general.

Constructive debate is fine and helpful. Calling someone a liar, in the face of evidenced facts, is absurd. If one wants to confine my comments specifically to this thread, they need only perform a search of this very forum to find far more than 3 or 4 individuals who are experiencing identical issues to the one I am, regardless of the cause.

Implying that this is a subject that would best be posted elsewhere, which is the underlying message of your post is negligent, given your status as a "senior" member of this board.

If we can spend 10-pages discussing battery discharging issues, that only a handful of people are having (of which those individuals were also met with hostility), than we can certainly "stand" to read reports of stalling, brand new, vehicles.

With that said, I digress. This particular thread is beyond help, at this point. To me, and I'm sure to many others, that's a shame.

Enjoy your weekend.

A web site can be set up in an hour, and if properly "registered" with search engine crawlers, search results will show within hours. :rolleyes:

The rest of your post is just more hot air. Like usual. :yawn:

Thunder22 02-13-2010 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 712247)
Ahem, this board has been very well maintained for far longer than you have been a member and helped COUNTLESS numbers. Just because you didn't garner the responses you like by no means calls the mods into question. Please, scamper off and find people of like minds who don't ask you to verify your comments. And please, when people call to questions your reports or those "NHTSA" reports, don't ultimately assume they called you a liar. Sorry if some didn't agree with your every chirp as absolute fact. It really is no wonder why your SA didn't feel like helping you and in the grand scheme of things I don't think BMWNA or otherwise fears you not spending maybe 200K with them every 3-5 years. (or even 50 people not buying them)

I wouldn't have replied with such attitude if you didn't confront people who have been on this board for nearly half a decade helping others.

And that, ladies and gentleman, sums it all up right there.

ard 02-13-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABMW (Post 712209)
B
What's dismaying is the fact that moderators are not present "to assist" in keeping threads on topic when specific individuals "dirty" a thread.

I moderate elsewhere. And one thing I have learned is that the most effective moderation is when the actual membership provides the guidance...

If you have to rely on mods to get involved, it becomes impossible to moderate (or it is called bimmerforums)...it is much better when other members provide the guidance, set the tone, correct and guide...because then it becomes a forum of people developing a shared concept of the community in which they want to participate. Folks that are reading, following an issue- perhaps not participating- develop an understanding of what the rest of the members expect and allow.

I am sure the moderators have seen this thread (you can report it, as I am sure you know) but perhaps they are hoping all parties involved will settle down and recognize that there is a consensus here - where I think the members and moderators sensibilities coincide.

A


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