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Since this is my first child, I fall into the moron chapter. I'm learning as I go. Bear with me sir ;-)

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Originally Posted by deutsch100 (Post 792502)

Maybe...but only the rear outer seats have the super safe LATCH system, that really secure a baby, child or booster seat. The middle rear seat DOES NOT have the LATCH system, so the child seat is not as secure.

you can technically latch to the inner side of both but there have been a lot of discussions advising against putting a front facing child seat in the middle. Rear facing is not as much of a concern but CHP and a lot of manufacturers such as Britax advise against it.

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Originally Posted by Kloogy (Post 792625)

Since this is my first child, I fall into the moron chapter. I'm learning as I go. Bear with me sir ;-)

DO NOT listen to ard, who seems to be very rude and arrogant. When my baby was born, I went to 2 fire stations (they install seats for you, and show you how it should be properly done). BOTH fire stations said that perhaps the middle might be the safest, but in the event of an accident, it can be harder to get to, AND they said they recommend the LATCH system, since the car or booster seat is attached to the car (welded onto the car's structure). If LATCH was not safe, it would not be federally mandated. I only use the LATCH, but if you feel more comfortable using the seatbelt & the middle seat position...please do what makes you feel most comfortable. I think both are fine, I just like what the fire depts. told me.

@ard...there is really no need to call anyone a moron. I think this is uncalled for, on our fine forum!

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Originally Posted by deutsch100 (Post 792639)

Never called you or anyone else a moron.

Just said use the LATCH if you ARE a moron and cannot figure out how to belt a seat in properly. You get to decide if you are using it because you are a moron or some other reason, ok? Enough with the woe-is-me, everyone is so offended attitude. Grow a pair and discuss the ISSUE on it's merits- not how someone called someone a name.

However, you said you actually went to a firestation to ask these automotive geniuses their expert opinions.... so who can questions such arbiters of safety, right? They said it is "welded in" and "must be safe" since "it is federally mandated".

I wont argue one of those points you seem to make for a simple reason: we are not discussing of it is safe or not, but rather IS IT "safer" than a properly fastened seatbelt!

... Everyone keeps repeating "LATCH is safer" and pretty soon everyone, including firemen, believe it must be safer. (Just like idiots at tire stores are absolutely convinced that Nitrogen fill is safer and better...)

Find something IN WRITING (from a federally recognized safety organization, IHTSA, NHTSA, etc) that states a LATCH connection has been tested to be SAFER than a properly connected belt and I will "wholeheartedly and unequivocally" apologize.

(In fact, for larger kids, the LATCH has a lower rating than seatbelts...which, guess what?, are WELDED TO THE CAR'S STRUCTURE..and must hold MUCH more force than a kids seat LATCH connection! Surprise?)

You wont find it. All you'll find is "the latch system is easier for unskilled people to use and therefore it is always the system that we must recommend to the unwashed masses."

I can be rude and can be arrogant- but I admit when I am wrong, and appreciate the education. Love to hear there is data somewhere prove latch is safer... go find it and make me eat these words.

Sorry if you don't like my tact, or lack thereof... I find that bringing people up short sometimes gets there attention....

So.

A

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Originally Posted by ard (Post 792648)

Thanks for your opinion. I just do not feel the need to "find something in writing" about my views on LATCH, since you still seem very short & argumentitive. As I get older...I have learned the lesson and wisdom, when it is pointless and a waste of time, to discuss anything with some people. I feel this is a very good time to appy this wisdom :)

Enjoy your seatbelt, and I will enjoy my LATCH system. We're both happy! End, Fin, Schluß!!

You can still use latch in the middle seat as mentioned by using the inner latches of the two side seats.

Seems like the wise firemen agree that the middle rear seat is safer. While I understand it is not as easy to get to, keep in mind, easier to get to for you means easier for a car to get to in a collision as well.

By the way, if you get one of the car seats which have a base, you only have to do the seat belt/latch one time so it's really not a worry in terms of hassle.

people, people.. just have twins and you won't have to worry about where to put the car seats.

BTW, LATCH is a great invention, switch the carseats between the E70 and a minivan at times. Talk about snap & go for the same amount of security. Unskilled? I don't know why anyone would purposely WANT TO stick belts through small holes as opposed to latching. I don't have LATCH in my other SUV and it sucks having to do it with belts. Nothing to do with how good you are at it. Or how smart you are, for that matter.

Ard, you seem to be arguing against LATCH being safer by saying it was never stated anywhere and to show that it has, but you prove nothing of your own by simply saying it's not. I don't think anyone minds being corrected, but do it the right way if you're gonna do it at all.

Next up, let's argue about Car seat brands. My Britax adds more HP than your Graco !!! :nanana:

I went with the Orbit Baby. It was the easiest for me to get into the base and onto the stroller. I also bought another base for the other car so I don't need to mess around with moving anything.

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Originally Posted by Kloogy (Post 792805)

Next up, let's argue about Car seat brands. My Britax adds more HP than your Graco !!! :nanana:

My recaro seat is faster than yours :) lol