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Old 03-06-2006, 11:07 PM
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I looked up my X3 and it would be about a 15 hp gain for 640.00. I think it would be worth it, but if I have that much extra cash to spend on my X3 I would probably purchase something else.
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Also looking at something from Jetchip. Looks like the cost would be aroung $400, before any type of discount. Waiting for info on what type of gains to expect. Will post it when I have it.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:13 AM
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For faster turnaround, (like less than an hour) you don't have to send in your ECU. I've spoken with Travis and they will send out the cables for you to pull your data, email to them, then they send back the modified data that you upload.

hmmm but have you asked Travis about the price? I mean $900 for a lousy 20 hp is crap, plain and simple.

I could have sworn, at one time, they were going to do it for something closer to $750. I could be wrong.

This is a canned program. They should just get your engine code and send you a data uploader and be done. No back and forth. Also, if you have to go into the dealer and get a BMW software update, they will flash you pcm and BAM you are back to stock. Then how much does Powerchip charge to do another upload???

With Steve Cole's Powerloader you would never have to worry about it. It locks to your vin and you can upload as many times and you want to your car. I do not know how much Steve Cole is still onvolved in dealing with customers and such after his HUGE debacle on the corvette forum, but his product was great.

I talked to PowerChip awhile ago and with the pcm change they still kept the speed limiter on there. I would like that off I would also tend to think they could squeze some more power out the program. 20 hp, is probably just coming from changing the timing a lil bit. Hell, they could change the timing, the fuel maps/pulse widths, shift points, line pressure and really have some fun. Yeah, still a 5000# truck, but for $900, I want more than 20hp and more parameters changed.
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hmmm but have you asked Travis about the price? I mean $900 for a lousy 20 hp is crap, plain and simple.

I could have sworn, at one time, they were going to do it for something closer to $750. I could be wrong.

This is a canned program. They should just get your engine code and send you a data uploader and be done. No back and forth. Also, if you have to go into the dealer and get a BMW software update, they will flash you pcm and BAM you are back to stock. Then how much does Powerchip charge to do another upload???

With Steve Cole's Powerloader you would never have to worry about it. It locks to your vin and you can upload as many times and you want to your car. I do not know how much Steve Cole is still onvolved in dealing with customers and such after his HUGE debacle on the corvette forum, but his product was great.

I talked to PowerChip awhile ago and with the pcm change they still kept the speed limiter on there. I would like that off I would also tend to think they could squeze some more power out the program. 20 hp, is probably just coming from changing the timing a lil bit. Hell, they could change the timing, the fuel maps/pulse widths, shift points, line pressure and really have some fun. Yeah, still a 5000# truck, but for $900, I want more than 20hp and more parameters changed.
It is $640 for the the 4.6. $590 after this discount, and that is for their claim of 30hp/30tq.
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what i've yet to see in this thread is
the comparison between the Powerchip's
cost and Dinan's upgrades. a Stage 1 upgrade
from Dinan is $4144 and produces 349hp/374tq.
um, that's only a 9hp/14tq increase for an '03 4.6is.
Powerchip claims a 27hp/21tq increase for an '03 4.6is.
that's $460.44 per HP w/ Dinan vs. Powerchip's $23.7 per HP.
so, i'd say, Powerchip's pricing sounds pretty reasonable.
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"I was just looking over the specs again concerning the Gold 93. Throughout the file, it mentions a 27hp gain and 367hp as the max; however, if you look at the graph and the Performance Data, at 6000RPM 372hp is listed as the output of the Powerchip. That being said, wouldn't the hp gain then be 32hp? Of course, this is based on the 4.6is producing 340hp. This brings up another question. Your documentation says that the 4.6is produces 340hp, but the Performance Data and graphs, at 6000RPM, list 342hp as the standard. I realize that, by the numbers, the difference between 340hp and 342hp isn't all that much , nor is 367hp and 372hp. So, could you please explain the discrepancy w/ the numbers?

-Brian"
djblock - i've posted the above question in a similar thread a
while back and i also sent the question to Powerchip, but
i never received a response from either. anyway, maybe u
can ask Matt the same and have better luck than i.
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It is $640 for the the 4.6. $590 after this discount, and that is for their claim of 30hp/30tq.
I forgot to be more specific. I am talking about the '04-'05 4.8 and 4.4, which they list for $990. The 4.6 quote is much closer to the market. Powerchip told me that the valvetronic was harder to reprogram. IMO I think that is BS, but that is just based on what I know about using an editor (ls1edit) on GM cars.

Kelleners has a program for $798 (valvetronic), so PC on GB should at least want to match that or be under it.

Dinan's charges $499-799 for their tuning, no valvetronic though. Howeve, I am not sure if they just do stage 4 tune or make you buy all the rest of their overpriced stuff with it.

So Powerchip does have some room to come down in their prices, imo.
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djblock - i've posted the above question in a similar thread a
while back and i also sent the question to Powerchip, but
i never received a response from either. anyway, maybe u
can ask Matt the same and have better luck than i.
I will see what I can do. As far as the cost, $50 off is the best that they are going to offer.
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what i've yet to see in this thread is
the comparison between the Powerchip's
cost and Dinan's upgrades. a Stage 1 upgrade
from Dinan is $4144 and produces 349hp/374tq.
um, that's only a 9hp/14tq increase for an '03 4.6is.
Powerchip claims a 27hp/21tq increase for an '03 4.6is.
that's $460.44 per HP w/ Dinan vs. Powerchip's $23.7 per HP.
so, i'd say, Powerchip's pricing sounds pretty reasonable.
yup Dinan rapes.
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:18 PM
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...Dinan's charges $499-799 for their tuning, no valvetronic though. Howeve, I am not sure if they just do stage 4 tune or make you buy all the rest of their overpriced stuff with it....
any idea what Dinan's "tuning" alone gets u?
i don't see any figures posted anywhere.
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