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Old 09-02-2019, 02:08 PM
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Farewell

I wanted to say “farewell” to you all. Even though I wasn’t a heavy contributor to the forum due to me not being so mechanically inclined, I do want to say thank you to anyone & everyone that perhaps helped me during what I’ll call the WORST ownership experience of any vehicle I’ve ever owned.

I originally purchased my X5 in March 2005 (I’m the original owner) and in the roughly 15 years and only 97,000 miles, I cannot believe the amount of money I spent maintaining this P.O.S. I’ll summarize – Valve Stem Seal $2,500 (side job by a BMW Tech), DISA Valve Job - $2,000 at the dealer, FIVE door handle repairs – $1,700 (3 @ the dealer, 2 side jobs), changed the coolant reservoir tank 3 times, 4 window regulators, all the brake lines rusted and were changed, changed the Nav screen 3 times. Never mind the regular maintenance items because that comes w/ the territory.

The straw the finally broke the camel’s back – got a MAF sensor code & the truck shutting off. I changed the MAF, code went away & the truck still shutting off, no codes, no vacuum leaks. Took it to 3 different mechanics (1 of whom is a BMW tech at a local dealership here in NJ) and no one can figure it out. There was no way I was taking this issue to the dealer.

Upon trading in this P.O.S. in, the sunroof didn’t work, navigation/radio no longer working, retractable mirrors not working, SEVERE battery drain (2 days and battery completely dead) and, of course, truck shutting off. Lest anyone think I abused this truck. On the contrary, I babied it. Mobil 1 oil changes twice a year, coolant flushes, brake fluid flushes, did a tranny flush at 50k, 100k tune-up at 75k, etc.

So, it goes w/o saying had I been more mechanically inclined, I would’ve saved money; however, I shouldn’t have to live my life maintaining a car for the privilege of driving it. I have had many cars throughout the years, Ford, Mazda, Mercedes, Lexus, Mercury, Chevy, Porsche and none of them ever came close to costing me what this truck cost to own. I realize no car is perfect but those other cars never gave me PTSD every time I touched the door handle wondering if it was gonna break again, never had a car the radio/nav didn’t work, never had a battery drain issue, never had a sunroof that didn’t work, etc.

Fare thee well. I won’t be back here in the future b/c I wouldn’t drive any BMW product even if they gave it to me for free. To prove it, I have made friends w/ 2 service advisors in 2 different BMW dealerships and they both told me separately that the BMW product is garbage and they see the horror stories all day long once the car is out of warranty.


Best of luck to you all!
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Old 09-02-2019, 05:28 PM
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Good luck. May fairer seas be ahead of you.

Your story is not entirely unheard of as an ownership experience. Though, given the number of these things I still see on the road, yours can't be the "rule" when it comes to BMW ownership. I could give you my ownership experience here of ~15 BMW's but this is your catharsis, so again may better fortunes lie ahead in your automotive endeavors.
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Old 09-02-2019, 08:54 PM
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Good luck. May fairer seas be ahead of you.

Your story is not entirely unheard of as an ownership experience. Though, given the number of these things I still see on the road, yours can't be the "rule" when it comes to BMW ownership. I could give you my ownership experience here of ~15 BMW's but this is your catharsis, so again may better fortunes lie ahead in your automotive endeavors.
Thanks CW. I believe you may have helped me/responded to one of my threads in the past.

I would agree that perhaps my story might be the exception & not the rule; however, it's the service advisers that really make me believe the later. They both advised me to get the heck out of the truck years ago - both been at their respective dealerships for over 20 years so they've seen/heard it all.

Oh, and by the way, I forgot the alternator bracket gasket repair - $10 part - like 800 labor.

Like I said, I'm sure every car & car manufacturer has their horror stories. And, truth be told, out of every repair I did, I would say the only one that really pi$$ed me off is the 5 door handles. Really? Door handles????
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I would say the only one that really pi$$ed me off is the 5 door handles. Really? Door handles????
No worries, and I understand the frustration. The alternator gasket is ridiculous to me...

But out of all the BMW's I've owned... lol, never had to replace a door handle. I think it's the weather here in south Texas. No major cold spells here. Lots of hot, but it doesn't seem to affect the pot metal as much as the cold.
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Old 09-03-2019, 02:18 AM
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Lol this was a good read. Best of luck.
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I can imagine the frustration lol.

I think this kind of verifies what everyone says, that if out of warranty, prepare to do most jobs by yourself or shelf out some $$.

Still, you hung on to the car for 15 years -- I guess there was still some enjoyment in driving the truck over the years?
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I'm feelin ya...

The wife and I are having this exact discussion at present. In the last 9 months, we've only been able to drive the 4.8is for a total of two weeks and even then it's only short trips because it has faults and can't go far.

Both it and the 4.4 are at the point where I am spending almost every weekend doing some sort of repair. I'm pretty handy and thanks to the folks on here have attempted a lot of things I wouldn't normally.

I'm getting sick of the fact though that every time I fix one thing, I literally get one day before something else appears and it's back off the road. I know they are all minor and known issues, but really, you just rebuild the suspension and then the radiator decides to sh$t itself?

The upside of doing the work yourself is that $330 for a radiator is cheaper than $1,000 at the local repairer (not BMW)... the downside is that it takes 1 -2 weeks for the part to come in and so it just has to sit there again...

The worst thing is that after all the work it's almost a well sorted and up to date maintained and low mileage car but over the last year I've hardly even driven it.

The problem is though is that BMW engineering really is garbage.

Buying new, in my opinion doesn't make any difference.

I remember back in 2006 when I bought my then brand new 4.8is and the rear suspension collapsed within 6 months of taking delivery and I had suspension inactive messages all the time.

Who woulda thought?

Also had automatic transmission issues with it slamming between gears, harsh down shifts, limp home, excessive oil consumption and many other issues.

The dealership were very unhelpful and I ended up on a first name basis with both the national service manager and BMW Australia customer service over 16 very frustrating months. After getting nowhere with them as they 'couldn't find anything wrong with it'... I went nuclear and sent a blow by blow account to the Directors of BMW in Germany.

Suddenly they were willing to trade my car in and I moved into an E70.

I look back at all the crap they gave me about there being no issues with E53 air suspension or gearboxes. They implied/said it was just me and I was the only one....

Then I read about issues with current twin turbo V8's and excessive oil consumption/$20k full engine rebuilds and think.... mmmmm

So we are having to move countries for work soon which means we need new cars....and the wife is adamant she doesn't want a BMW.... AT ALL....
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I have had the exact opposite experience. I currently have 2 BMW cars, 1 E53 and 1 E46. The E46 has 205,000 miles and the E53 is closing on 175,000 miles. Both are immaculate but I do most of my maintenance myself to avoid the labor costs you have paid. As I look around, I just don't see many 16 and 18 year old cars running around looking and running like my BMW's with so many miles.

I understand your frustration and wish you well in your future transportation selection.
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Just sold my BMW E53 X5 to a new buyer that had never owned a BMW before. Warn HER about the cost of repairs if she or HER son wasn't a DIYer. Warn Her about using premium gas for the X5. Told her the BMW was too OLD to be use as a ride sharing vehicle. Told her that she would be better off buying a car that was 10 year younger than the BMW, but that BMW with it nice shiny paint, powerful throttle response, and immaculate interior just won her over.
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Old 09-03-2019, 11:36 AM
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I'm feelin ya...

The wife and I are having this exact discussion at present. In the last 9 months, we've only been able to drive the 4.8is for a total of two weeks and even then it's only short trips because it has faults and can't go far.

Both it and the 4.4 are at the point where I am spending almost every weekend doing some sort of repair. I'm pretty handy and thanks to the folks on here have attempted a lot of things I wouldn't normally.

I'm getting sick of the fact though that every time I fix one thing, I literally get one day before something else appears and it's back off the road. I know they are all minor and known issues, but really, you just rebuild the suspension and then the radiator decides to sh$t itself?

The upside of doing the work yourself is that $330 for a radiator is cheaper than $1,000 at the local repairer (not BMW)... the downside is that it takes 1 -2 weeks for the part to come in and so it just has to sit there again...

The worst thing is that after all the work it's almost a well sorted and up to date maintained and low mileage car but over the last year I've hardly even driven it.

The problem is though is that BMW engineering really is garbage.

Buying new, in my opinion doesn't make any difference.

I remember back in 2006 when I bought my then brand new 4.8is and the rear suspension collapsed within 6 months of taking delivery and I had suspension inactive messages all the time.

Who woulda thought?

Also had automatic transmission issues with it slamming between gears, harsh down shifts, limp home, excessive oil consumption and many other issues.

The dealership were very unhelpful and I ended up on a first name basis with both the national service manager and BMW Australia customer service over 16 very frustrating months. After getting nowhere with them as they 'couldn't find anything wrong with it'... I went nuclear and sent a blow by blow account to the Directors of BMW in Germany.

Suddenly they were willing to trade my car in and I moved into an E70.

I look back at all the crap they gave me about there being no issues with E53 air suspension or gearboxes. They implied/said it was just me and I was the only one....

Then I read about issues with current twin turbo V8's and excessive oil consumption/$20k full engine rebuilds and think.... mmmmm

So we are having to move countries for work soon which means we need new cars....and the wife is adamant she doesn't want a BMW.... AT ALL....
I'm happy driving the soccer mom Toyota Sienna. I would buy another Toyota in a heartbeat. It may not be the Ultimate Driving experience, but that is What the G35, PORSCHE and Lotus are for.
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