OIL question for M57N (M57TU) e53 3.0d owners

[omodos]

Originally Posted by wpoll

Oh goodie - an oil thread....

LL01 is not spec'ed for engines with DPFs so the LL04 spec. was developed for later DPF-equiped engines and their more complex emission requirements. However, the LL04 spec. is somewhat backwards compatible with LL01 so can be used in your engine (but not gasoline engines in the USA/Oz etc.)

BMW-Oil-Specs-and-Recs.pdf

Having said that, I stick with an LL01 rated oil (on my Euro 3 M57TÜ) - Castrol Edge 5w/40 - as I don't want to pay for features in an oil that aren't required by my engine.

Different oils/brands may be tested against one spec but not others, so you can see a varied mix of specs on similar oils.

And BMW or Porsche don't rate oils - they release a spec. (requirements to be met) and oil manufactors test against these standards. Or not. An oil that meets Porsche A40 may well also pass LL01 but may not have actually been tested against that spec.

Dog and a bone, still coming back to this, even though i reckon you answered, soooo I kept an empty container of mobil 1 0/40w (from 2009) (dont ask) and spec / say meets bmw longlife 01, mercedes benz 229.3,porsche a40 etc and some others I cant recall, as well as having the acea A3/B4 rating ...reviewing some other brands of on the shelf oils recently I see they all have this compliance/approval by all the aforementioned apart from the bmw LL01 ...thats what sort of bugged me.

[g300d]

It is highly recommended to get an oil that is certified for your engine. Calls for LL01? An LL01 certified oil is recommended.

That being said, many of these specs overlap and are just fine to substitute for LL01 if you are interested, especially if you are conservative in your drain intervals. MB 229.5, Porsche A40, and VW 504/505 are pretty close to LL01.

I've used LL01 oils in MB's and 229.5 oils in BMWs (at my own risk of course).

https://www.lubrizol.com/company/too...formance-tools is a nice place to start to learn more. Click on the Passenger Car link and then the cert/s you are interested in to see how they compare to each other.

[omodos]

Originally Posted by g300d

It is highly recommended to get an oil that is certified for your engine. Calls for LL01? An LL01 certified oil is recommended.

That being said, many of these specs overlap and are just fine to substitute for LL01 if you are interested, especially if you are conservative in your drain intervals. MB 229.5, Porsche A40, and VW 504/505 are pretty close to LL01.

I've used LL01 oils in MB's and 229.5 oils in BMWs (at my own risk of course).

https://www.lubrizol.com/company/too...formance-tools is a nice place to start to learn more. Click on the Passenger Car link and then the cert/s you are interested in to see how they compare to each other.

Much much appreciated it's ok will stop making mountain out of molehill, X5 is getting on a bit 21 years old in nov....but still doesn't mean I want to chuck the wrong oil in her...so thought i'd check...what I have done is approach the manufacturer of one oil that couple of years ago the 5w 40 was BMW LL01 approved , but last 2 years is not...see what the truth is.....

[g300d]

It's perfectly fine to be concerned about putting the right oil in your car, whether new or 21 years old.

Another thing about manufacturers certs is oil makers pay to be assessed and officially certified. Sometimes they just dont feel like paying anymore. Sometimes the formulation has changed and they have not yet or dont feel like paying to be certified.

Which oil is this? It would be interesting to hear from the manufacturer why it isnt anymore.

[omodos]

Originally Posted by g300d

It's perfectly fine to be concerned about putting the right oil in your car, whether new or 21 years old.

Another thing about manufacturers certs is oil makers pay to be assessed and officially certified. Sometimes they just dont feel like paying anymore. Sometimes the formulation has changed and they have not yet or dont feel like paying to be certified.

Which oil is this? It would be interesting to hear from the manufacturer why it isnt anymore.

Its a brand you probably don't have out there made by AVISTA https://www.avista-lubes.de/en/

[wpoll]

This one seems to still meet LL 01...

https://www.avista-lubes.de/en/produ...ger-sae-5w-40/

[omodos]

Originally Posted by wpoll

This one seems to still meet LL 01...

https://www.avista-lubes.de/en/produ...ger-sae-5w-40/

Hey Wpoll you right what I failed to mention is that oil made by AVISTA 5w 40 BUT sold and repackaged and sold under a different label by one of the biggest european supermarkets chains this year doesn't meet LL01 whereas a year ago it did... so I have chased AVISTA the lube maker as doubt the supermarket will have any say in matter

[g300d]

Being repackaged does complicate things. Are you even sure it's Avista still?

Does it still carry any certs?

[Bdc101]

Originally Posted by g300d

https://www.lubrizol.com/company/too...formance-tools is a nice place to start to learn more. Click on the Passenger Car link and then the cert/s you are interested in to see how they compare to each other.

Super helpful link...


to just follow up on my original comment about LL-12, it looks like LL-12 FE is almost exactly the same as LL-04 which might be why the dealer substituted it in my car before I owned it.

[omodos]

Originally Posted by g300d

Being repackaged does complicate things. Are you even sure it's Avista still?

Does it still carry any certs?

Yup excuse the hungarian polish greek .in image prodzsdsds παραγογη...avista, and yes vw 502 00,505 00, MB 229.3, PORSCHE A40, RENAULT RN 0700/ 0710
SPEC:ACEA A3/B4 ,API SN