X5 or X3?

[psyxologos]

Before I start, a quick note to forum moderators: I have posted the same thread on the E70 forum but I suspect both forums get a different readership and I NEED to have some opinions soon as I am in a hurry. Please do not delete as 'double posting'. Actually, I am thinking of buying a 2005 X5, but I saw the E70 forum before I saw this one


I once again ask for your help, good people of xoutpost. I have decided to change my mini cooper s (which I only bought two and a half months ago) as my wife and I are having our first child and need something more accommodating for a young family.

So I need a car that will be

a. safe for a pregnant mother and her baby (when, God willing it comes)

b. offer plenty of space

c. Be reasonable off roading.


Now, I am not going to be challenging the car too much off roading, after all, I only will be taking the car off road 5-10 times a year maximum. The car will be therefore used 70% on the road (this is why I want a slightly more 'sensible' car) and 30% (if that) off roading. By off roading I mean getting to and back from farms and the marsh (will not be taking the car in the marsh itself, just close to it).

I have heard and read mixed reports for the X3, people seem to believe that X5 is much better car than an X3, plus I need something that offers 'real' 4x4 potential, so X5 sounds the better choice. I am talking about an approved used, of course.

Anyone has any advice and/or knowledge of these two cars? My budget is up to £20k in total.

Any ideas?

Thanks in anticipation

[amacman]

hi, i drive a 2002 X5 4.4i sport auto permanent 4wd , the 2004 onwards have xdrive , this means they usually only drive the rear wheels so that you feel as though driving a rear wheel drive . the transfer case has a clutch pack to engage also the front wheel drive or send power in variable ratios to front or rear .
my wife drives a 2004 X3 3.0i auto SE with factory tow bar and uprated rear suspension .
i do not recommend the sport suspension for transporting small children ,nor the uprated suspension .
either car in SE form may be acceptable , especially the X5 as it is more spacious , has flat floor access in the rear seating and a split tailgate for easier access although the X5 boot floor is considerably higher and may or not be suitable for loading a baby buggy.
only issue with the seating area flat floor is things could roll out when you open a door .
the X5 is around 20cm (8 inches ) wider than the X3 overall .

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by amacman

hi, i drive a 2002 X5 4.4i sport auto permanent 4wd , the 2004 onwards have xdrive , this means they usually only drive the rear wheels so that you feel as though driving a rear wheel drive . the transfer case has a clutch pack to engage also the front wheel drive or send power in variable ratios to front or rear .

Not correct. Both xDrive and non xDrive models have a nominal 40%/60% front/rear drive bias (non xDrive is actually 38%/62%) on a high-traction surface. The difference is that the non xDrive has an open planetary style centre diff whereas xDrive has an electronic multi-plate clutch pack that can proportion the drive front to back according to the available traction and driving conditions. In a low traction environment, non xDrive only has its electronic traction control to help get the drive to where it can be best used whereas xDrive has both the centre clutch pack and ETC. With xDrive, it's only under extreme conditions that all the drive is directed towards the rear wheels.

[amacman]

Originally Posted by Fraser

Not correct. Both xDrive and non xDrive models have a nominal 40%/60% front/rear drive bias (non xDrive is actually 38%/62%) on a high-traction surface. The difference is that the non xDrive has an open planetary style centre diff whereas xDrive has an electronic multi-plate clutch pack that can proportion the drive front to back according to the available traction and driving conditions. In a low traction environment, non xDrive only has its electronic traction control to help get the drive to where it can be best used whereas xDrive has both the centre clutch pack and ETC. With xDrive, it's only under extreme conditions that all the drive is directed towards the rear wheels.

what is not correct , what are you trying to say ,seems like you just added more words to what i already said , none if my info is incorrect ,it says in the X3 handbook that it utilises rear wheel drive predominantly .
the xdrive vehicles feel more like a rear drive car .no big deal because the 38% 62% car is fine . the xdrive does potentially offer better traction options if you get really stuck .
i almost got stuck on a very narrow cobbled steep hill in Edinburgh whist turning car around i had to reverse uphill but one rear wheel spun on dry surface , you need to press the dsc button to make traction control work whereas the xdrive would shift more drive to front wheels in that event thus saving embarassment .
as for sport suspension , it`s not comfortable on anything less than a smooth road , not good to be pounding a baby , i know what i`m talking about . x3 sport has the worst suspension i have ever experienced , x5 sport nowhere near as bad .

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by amacman

what is not correct , what are you trying to say ,seems like you just added more words to what i already said , none if my info is incorrect ,it says in the X3 handbook that it utilises rear wheel drive predominantly .

I think that you need to go back to your original statement, ie: "hi, i drive a 2002 X5 4.4i sport auto permanent 4wd , the 2004 onwards have xdrive , this means they usually only drive the rear wheels so that you feel as though driving a rear wheel drive." This is incorrect. Both xDrive and non-xDrive X5s are essentially permanent 4WD vehicles. xDrive X5s don't "usually only drive the rear wheels", they usually drive all four wheels.

Here's a quote from BMW's technical info on (X5) xDrive: "In normal driving situations, the drive torque is distributed in the ratio of 40:60 between the front and the rear wheels. xDrive can also vary torque between front and rear axles depending on the driving conditions and can distributed drive torque briefly to one axle in extreme conditions."

What you X3 handbook says is irrelevant as we were discussing xDrive and non-xDrive X5s.

[amacman]

Originally Posted by Fraser

I think that you need to go back to your original statement, ie: "hi, i drive a 2002 X5 4.4i sport auto permanent 4wd , the 2004 onwards have xdrive , this means they usually only drive the rear wheels so that you feel as though driving a rear wheel drive." This is incorrect. Both xDrive and non-xDrive X5s are essentially permanent 4WD vehicles. xDrive X5s don't "usually only drive the rear wheels", they usually drive all four wheels.

Here's a quote from BMW's technical info on (X5) xDrive: "In normal driving situations, the drive torque is distributed in the ratio of 40:60 between the front and the rear wheels. xDrive can also vary torque between front and rear axles depending on the driving conditions and can distributed drive torque briefly to one axle in extreme conditions."

What you X3 handbook says is irrelevant as we were discussing xDrive and non-xDrive X5s.

ok , here is info from the bently x5 manual ,you can see how i reached the conclusion , i don`t have access to the x3 manual right now but read this and see what conclusion you can draw from it .

[psyxologos]

Originally Posted by amacman

the 2004 onwards have xdrive , this means they usually only drive the rear wheels so that you feel as though driving a rear wheel drive .

Sorry, I only just read this again. that applies to UK cars too, right?

Thanks!

[simoncpw]

I had a 2005 X3 before (my son was from 0 to 18 months), and now a 2002 X5 (my son is 2.5 years old). I changed car due to moving to another country, nothing to do with disliking the X3, I loved it a lot.

- Handling - X3 was significantly better, much more fun (xDrive), and felt a lot more like driving a sedan / coupe instead of SUV, than the X5 (weight); My X5 has sport suspension and lowered, my wife and son have no issues with them :-p

- Cargo space - reports / specs claim X3 actually has bigger cargo space than the X5, but they felt pretty much the same to me. I seat my 3 x Golden Retrievers in both cars without putting down the rear seat without any worry.
- Passenger space X3 - is definitely smaller, but both my wife and I are short so not much of a problem for us in terms of head and log rooms. I had no problem putting the infant seat (back-facing) in the rear center seat, but the remaining left and right seat was a little small, especially for a larger size adult on a long trip (it was never a problem for us because it's usually just me, wife and baby).

- Passenger space X5 - Significantly better, difference is exactly like a 3 series vs 5 series. My son is now 2.5 and has a much bigger front-facing baby seat which is put in the rear center seat as well, and the left and right seats are still comfortable. I can't imagine if it was the X3, unless it is put on the left / right rear seat instead.

Hope this helps

[msammy]

We have a 2002 X5 and a 2007 X3, both with sport package. My wife drives the X3 as her daily driver, and my X5 is my winter vehicle (but driven a bit in spring/summer/fall). Please don't tell my wife, but I hate driving the X3. It's fun to drive, but cramped in the passenger space and cargo area. I have no idea how BMW claims X3 has more cargo space than X5, there's no way. Example - our Son plays ice hockey - a goalie with a huge equipment bag and leg pads. When we go to overnight travel tournaments, we can fit his large goalie bag, leg pads, large suitcase, small bag, laptop bag and other items in the X5 cargo area - filled to the rafters of course. With the X3, we can fit the large goalie bag and leg pads, but get this, we can do this only by flipping down 1/2 of the rear seat. We can never take it on longer trips since we can't fit all of our luggage, therefore, we can only use the X3 to take him to his practices during the week. Lesson learned, we bought the X3 based on the claim of the large cargo space; however, BMW duped us on this one for sure. We don't do off-roading, but have harsh winters here in New England every so often, and both X's do great in heavy snow conditions.

So, bottom-line, she loves her X3, I love my X5, but there's much more room in the X5 for passenger and cargo. Both are capable vehicles, it just comes down to whether you want a larger, heavier vehicle, or a smaller, lighter, lower to the road sedan-feeling vehicle. So, I hope this helps!

[psyxologos]

WOW! many thanks guys. Really useful input. I appreciate the help. I shall test drive a couple today and report back my impressions!