BMWs NO MORE POOR QUALITY CONTROL HASTA LA VISTA BABY!

[FSETH]

This thread is complete garbage. It started out with someone trying to compare J.D. Power initial quality rankings with their 9 year old vehicle and then zumbalak went all Simple Jack on us...

[DWill]

Originally Posted by zumbalak

For BMW fanboys the stuff that breaks down is the price to pay for the awesome ride, and the awesome handling through the curvy roads (as if they take their cars to the track every day)...

But for the realists, BMW quality sucks big time.
Not in a million years I will recommend any BMW to anyone, or purchase another one. I miss the BMW of the 80s, the rock solid 1988 325 that racked up 280K miles, and was running like a champ without constant fix-ups...

Good old days.

When BMW decided to make more of their cars, and sell it to the over leveraged US consumer who can mostly afford a BMW by subsidized lease payments or paying with loans that stretch to 5 years, while acting like a millionaire just because they are driving a BMW, BMW as a company stopped caring about quality, and started caring about selling the most amount of cars for the highest profit.

I do not blame BMW for taking such a route, because they as a company lost their core, and there was the credit credit give me more credit, put me in bigger debt customer that thought of driving a BMW as making them "someone" with a "social status" and BMW made the most profit out of it...

In any case...
Only my personal opinion.

I lol'd

A member of our board is saying that BMW X5 is a performance vehicle...



Great marketing department by BMW...
X5 a performance vehicle?

What performance? Driving a person from point A to point B? That can be done by millions of other cars/SUVs out there.

Really....

Please find me another SUV/SAV that performs even near my X5M doing exactly what it was designed to do.

I'll trade my M and buy it...

But let me save you some time.... it's not going to happen because it doesn't exist.

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by Weasel

My dad has a Tahoe, I have an X5... so I have much experience with both as I do all the work on both.

I'll bet you can't guess which one has better accelloration, braking, overall stability at speeds, ability to corner at speeds, more responsive steering feel/ratio, tows heavy trailers better, better driver and passenger comfort, self leveling suspension, HID lighting to see clearly at night without blinding oncoming traffic, dynamic stability control that looks at more angles/forces than the other, ABS controlled 4x4 which allocates power to wheels with most grip in low traction situations vs path of least resistance, etc. etc. etc.

And for safety, which has the best designed crumple zones? Which has the most airbags? Which has seat belt pre-tensioners? Which has airbag system to disconnect battery power in event of accident to prevent electrical fires? Safest with child seats in the back? Which is considered one of the safest vehicles on the road to put your family in?

I can honestly say the Tahoe needed more in repairs within the first year of ownership than the X5, both bought in similar age and mileage.

So to recap, the ONLY thing the tahoe has over the X5 in my family's stable is interior cargo room. And every test done on either vehicle by any reputable car testing type of magazine and/or tv show has put the X5 in a higher class of vehicle than the tahoe and proves it with all the test statistics.

Thanks Weasel for a voice of sanity amongst the rantings of madmen. Please, someone, anyone, close the gates of the asylum before they all get out...

[4MoJoe]

Ya, this thread is wrecked and needs to die.

[nom3rcy]

This thread was wrecked by the first post.

[Quicksilver]

Oh I don't know about slamming the thread.
Sometime the amusing entertainment is worth it!!!

[Weasel]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Oh I don't know about slamming the thread.
Sometime the amusing entertainment is worth it!!!

I fully agree! I love the trainwreck threads on here... just can't look away! Usually I have to go to the politics forum to get this kind of entertainment.

[1stE53]

Originally Posted by Weasel

I fully agree! I love the trainwreck threads on here... just can't look away! Usually I have to go to the politics forum to get this kind of entertainment.

I was thinking the same thing last night. It was so entertaining to read these, my dinner plate was cold by the time I got through all 8 pages
O and first thing this morning I had to check out the new drama.

[ALOVERR69]

Anyone for a beer...But we have to admit we love to read this...At the end of the day we all have the BMW emblem..Wether its worth 100k or 10k...thats what we bought thats what we got...

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by Repoman

I love the way the X drives too and that is probably why I bought mine too but it has been so difficult for me to keep the hood closed. Good advise on the Lexus. I've been doing some serious homework to make sure I get a super reliable vehicle this time and the RX350 appears to be it. Wish me good luck!

Fair enough. You going new or pre-owned? Have you looked at the RAV4 V6 version? Toyota reliability PLUS your 0-to-60 will beat both its RX350 cousin and the E53 4.4-liter V8! (6.4 seconds). Consumer Reports rated it very highly. Unless you are obsessed on having the Lexus "L" badge (it's still a Toyota in my book), I would just pimp out a RAV4 V6 and enjoy the fast ride.