BMWs NO MORE POOR QUALITY CONTROL HASTA LA VISTA BABY!

[ftgambit]

DONE WITH MY X5 TOO!!! JD POWER Rates BMW WORST!
Thankx for posting Craig B/Penguin:

I have a 3.0i and as much as I love a spirited driving dynamics and sitting high up, Im sick of BMW's poor quality control, and Ive racked up 159K miles on mine, so although the engine has been good thats about the only thing I haven't had to pony up for in maintenance, I've had
-window regulators go bad,
-almost every hose already has been replaced,
-CV Boots have cost a fortune almost every other year, it adds up quick,
-been through 3 or 4 batteries, constant battery drain,
Stereo was fried after not driving the car for a couple weeks and turning it on,
-the locking system vacuum locks had to be replaced on two doors,
-tranny makes funny clicking sound already, Im sure any day now it will go
-Alternator went bad fortunately was able to do it myself, dealer wanted $700 HA!! Bastards
-Power Steering Pump line, leaking already
-Control Arms, Ball Joints all worn out thats gonna be pricey if I dont do it myself
-Cup Holder broker, its $400+ just for the part not to mention 2 hours of labor to take apart the center console to replace it
-Valve cover gaskets cracked and leaking
-Cam Sensors went bad,
-O2 sensors goin bad

Other than all that, its been a dream!lol!! This is not a BASH BMW post, they've done that all on their own with their POOR POOR quality control, they spent so much time designing speed and handling performance, they then had to find the cheapest method possible to make the components without cutting into their margins too much, MB hasnt been much better but I think between LEXUS, MB, AUDI and BMW

BMW takes LAST PLACE for sure, JD POWER latest reviews also confirm BMW quality and durability are at the bottom of the barrel of the luxury brands and so did US NEWS.

I really feel for the new buyers here a few will have a perfect ride for the next few years, the rest will be plagued by problems and complaints and lots of bleeps in statements
I will continue to post my repairs to help those here that refuse to overpay for service
best advice find a good indy and become friends hell look out for you, I have one here in Vegas and he always throws little things in at no charge when I can't do certain repairs myself

[z2g]

Are you talking about the 2010 ratings by brand? Because BMW rated three stars (about average) in all categories (overall dependability, powertrain dependability, body/interior, and features/accessories).

Even Acura's overall dependability was only three stars. And Audi was three stars in three categories but only two stars in powertrain reliability. Infiniti, which often ranks very high on Consumer Reports, also rated three stars in 3 categories but 4 stars in powertrain reliability. Lexus was obviously tops in all categories.

[1stE53]

Originally Posted by z2g

Are you talking about the 2010 ratings by brand? Because BMW rated three stars (about average) in all categories (overall dependability, powertrain dependability, body/interior, and features/accessories).

Even Acura's overall dependability was only three stars. And Audi was three stars in three categories but only two stars in powertrain reliability. Infiniti, which often ranks very high on Consumer Reports, also rated three stars in 3 categories but 4 stars in powertrain reliability. Lexus was obviously tops in all categories.

Except the cheap feel of all other cars' interiors next the the Big 3 German makers. Once you feel the fit and finish quality of MB, BMW, or Audi; everything else has a cheap plastic feel (reminds me of made in china).
Every car maker has issues, the more regulations the government puts on them, the heavier and more advanced the car needs to become. This makes them force stuff to production. If the government would just let the manufacturers duke it out, we would have better more reliable cars due to competition not regulation.

[1stE53]

Sorry to pile on...
I purchased my 2003 3.0 on 30 December 2009 with 64400. As part of the deal, they replaced the thermostat and one vacuum hose. Thermostats, they go in EVERY car. I have since then changed the oil (how dare they demand oil changes!) changed brakes pads and rotors and both the cabin and engine air filters (again, they should last for ever in a $50k+ car). I also replaced the spark plugs just for good feeling. The most any plug will last in 100K, even then why would you want to wait that long for something so simple to change. I now have 75100 on it already and nothing . I'm going to order oil and a filter after it stops raining just to give me something to do on the car .
O, and I had to buy new tires .
Before this BMW I thought I was a through and through Mercedes guy, I have grown to LOVE this BMW; for no other reason than I can do all this stuff myself. Good luck even touching an E class. Everything must be done at dealership (build quality and attention to detail is amazing though).

[z2g]

Originally Posted by 1stE53

Except the cheap feel of all other cars' interiors next the the Big 3 German makers. Once you feel the fit and finish quality of MB, BMW, or Audi; everything else has a cheap plastic feel (reminds me of made in china).
Every car maker has issues, the more regulations the government puts on them, the heavier and more advanced the car needs to become. This makes them force stuff to production. If the government would just let the manufacturers duke it out, we would have better more reliable cars due to competition not regulation.

I totally agree. Once we got our X5, it just wasn't the same when I was driving other cars.

[RichiRich]

Well.....I was climbing my jurassic soap box for this one and then I read Stan's post.......now I am stepping down because he very eloquently summed it up.

I am right on the same page as him!

Rich

[chilliwilli]

Originally Posted by RichiRich

Well.....I was climbing my jurassic soap box for this one and then I read Stan's post.......now I am stepping down because he very eloquently summed it up.

I am right on the same page as him!

Rich

+1

[ftgambit]

z2G where did you get your information, the X5 on JD POWER is a MEASLY 2.5 STARS and I own a 2001 model which was the 2nd year it was made, I have followed since 2002 the changes the model has endured, its very disappointing, I hate to even mention that it might have alot to do with being built in the US, as sad as that sounds, either that or the engineers designing the all the cheap plastic parts got the degrees out of gumball machine. Even if by some miracle BMW had a 3 star reliability rating which it DOES NOT, thats mediocre at best for a $50K + vehicle, my only saving grace is that I have done most of the work my self, with the exception of any service related to ECU or Engine lights, but most BMW owners many of whom are women etc.. take the vehicle in for service, for even something as simple as Exhaust Cam position sensor they charge $300, RAPE !!!!
So really thats the problem I have, if they made higher quality parts, they would fail less and the high luxury prices could be more easily digested, you get what you pay for right, WRONG!!!! US NEWS had even worst ratings then JD POWER, please check your facts bmw has lost alot in my eyes, they still make beautiful cars, that DONT LAST!!!

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by ftgambit

z2G where did you get your information, the X5 on JD POWER is a MEASLY 2.5 STARS and I own a 2001 model which was the 2nd year it was made...

The J.D. Power figures you are looking at are about as irrelevant as can be in your situation. You are quoting initial quality ratings, which cover the first 90 days of ownership. This period ended for your car about 3,195 days ago.

You should be more interested in their overall dependability data, which at least goes three years into ownership. It lists the 2001 X5 as 3.5 stars.

Even that is dated for a 9 year old car. Not sure why you are looking at J.D. Power data for such an old car anyway.

[z2g]

Originally Posted by ftgambit

z2G where did you get your information, the X5 on JD POWER is a MEASLY 2.5 STARS and I own a 2001 model which was the 2nd year it was made, I have followed since 2002 the changes the model has endured, its very disappointing, I hate to even mention that it might have alot to do with being built in the US, as sad as that sounds, either that or the engineers designing the all the cheap plastic parts got the degrees out of gumball machine. Even if by some miracle BMW had a 3 star reliability rating which it DOES NOT, thats mediocre at best for a $50K + vehicle, my only saving grace is that I have done most of the work my self, with the exception of any service related to ECU or Engine lights, but most BMW owners many of whom are women etc.. take the vehicle in for service, for even something as simple as Exhaust Cam position sensor they charge $300, RAPE !!!!
So really thats the problem I have, if they made higher quality parts, they would fail less and the high luxury prices could be more easily digested, you get what you pay for right, WRONG!!!! US NEWS had even worst ratings then JD POWER, please check your facts bmw has lost alot in my eyes, they still make beautiful cars, that DONT LAST!!!

As written in my post, it was the 2010 JD Power and Associates RELIABILITY REPORT BY BRAND. So, it takes the entire lineup as a whole. And, BMW didn't rate that bad....average. That is what is expected with BMW's.

As far as the 2001 or 2002 X5, those were the FIRST two years of production. If you get any car (doesn't even matter with the manufacturer) that's in the new year of production, you're going to encounter problems. That INCLUDES Hondas and Toyotas. To note though, Consumer Reports rated the 2001 and 2002 X5 below average. Sorry, but that's typical of BMW's....average to below average reliability. Throw in the fact that it's a new production year, it would certainly be below average.