Just installed Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snows

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by TriX5

I also drove my Dunlop M2s one summer when I broke my foot and didn't feel much like swapping them (I have dedicated wheels). They wear quicker in the summer for sure but unless you track your car you are not giving up much, if anything.

You don't think you are giving up grip by using winter tires in the summer? Really?

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by FSETH

You don't think you are giving up grip by using winter tires in the summer? Really?

you certainly do give up some grip. But I don't think it creates a dangerous situation. Not on the order of running summers or even all seasons (no seasons!!) in the winter anyway. I run them until the rainy season is mostly over because my summer tires are pretty dicey in heavy rain. And we get some warm days in there. Never noticed an issue with grip although I am not trying to lay down top time of day on an autox course or anything

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by c4racer

you certainly do give up some grip. But I don't think it creates a dangerous situation. Not on the order of running summers or even all seasons (no seasons!!) in the winter anyway. I run them until the rainy season is mostly over because my summer tires are pretty dicey in heavy rain. And we get some warm days in there. Never noticed an issue with grip although I am not trying to lay down top time of day on an autox course or anything

I am not saying it is more dangerous than using summers in winter. I wouldn't suggest doing either as they can both be dangerous. Put on the right tire for the right season. They were designed that way for a reason.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by c4racer

you certainly do give up some grip. But I don't think it creates a dangerous situation. Not on the order of running summers or even all seasons (no seasons!!) in the winter anyway. I run them until the rainy season is mostly over because my summer tires are pretty dicey in heavy rain. And we get some warm days in there. Never noticed an issue with grip although I am not trying to lay down top time of day on an autox course or anything

A good summer or all-season tire should handle heavy rain just fine. My Pirelli Scorpion Zeros are good and my old Toyo S/T's were fantastic in the rain. I have never driven a vehicle in the rain with as much confidence as the X5 on those old Toyo's. Among many other reasons, your winter's may have felt better in the rain because they are much skinnier than your summer tires.

Running winter tires in summer creates a dangerous situation as the heat causes them to become even softer than they were designed to be run. This causes longer stopping distances and reduced handling capabilities.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by FSETH

A good summer or all-season tire should handle heavy rain just fine. My Pirelli Scorpion Zeros are good and my old Toyo S/T's were fantastic in the rain. I have never driven a vehicle in the rain with as much confidence as the X5 on those old Toyo's. Among many other reasons, your winter's may have felt better in the rain because they are much skinnier than your summer tires.

Running winter tires in summer creates a dangerous situation as the heat causes them to become even softer than they were designed to be run. This causes longer stopping distances and reduced handling capabilities.

I agree and I always run summer tires on all my other cars except the wifes where I run higher treadwear rating all seasons. And I have always experienced excellent wet performance with summer tires. But for whatever reason the Yokohama Advans are terrible and flat out scary in the rain even with AWD. Go figure. Needless to say I won't be getting another set of those. Toyo S/Ts will probably be my choice for summers next time. Although I really don't mind just running the winters for the 4-5 months of the ski season as it saves me the hassle of swapping. And it doesn't rain all that much in the other months. But it's pretty silly to have an AWD SUV that does terrible in the rain. Especially now that my wife is driving it to transport kids... So for sure will get a better summer or even all season tire to run in the summer next time. But likely will stick with snows for the winter because I tend to go during the worst blizzards of the year in the Sierra's chasing powder and it can get ugly up there.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by c4racer

I agree and I always run summer tires on all my other cars except the wifes where I run higher treadwear rating all seasons. And I have always experienced excellent wet performance with summer tires. But for whatever reason the Yokohama Advans are terrible and flat out scary in the rain even with AWD. Go figure. Needless to say I won't be getting another set of those. Toyo S/Ts will probably be my choice for summers next time. Although I really don't mind just running the winters for the 4-5 months of the ski season as it saves me the hassle of swapping. And it doesn't rain all that much in the other months. But it's pretty silly to have an AWD SUV that does terrible in the rain. Especially now that my wife is driving it to transport kids... So for sure will get a better summer or even all season tire to run in the summer next time. But likely will stick with snows for the winter because I tend to go during the worst blizzards of the year in the Sierra's chasing powder and it can get ugly up there.

Agreed. I wouldn't want my wife driving around in a car that doesn't handle the wet conditions well. The Toyo S/T's are all seasons, as are the S/T II's. I loved the S/T's, but they were really noisy as they aged. Apparently, the new S/T II's took care of that issue. If you are looking for all seasons that handle both wet and dry conditions well, you may want to take a look at the Conti ExtremeContact DWS's. They are not the Conti's of yesterday and have been rated through the roof at the TireRack. As shown in the video I provided, they can also handle some snow if you get caught in it before you change over to winters. Plus, I think the treadware rating is over 500.