The OEM manual says the Transmission...

[dkl]

The BMW OE filter is made by Filtran. When you pull out that Meistersatz filter, you will notice the o-ring being made from different materials from the Filtran. That will be your issue.

[Ghost-Flame]

more interesting information from GM regarding Dex111 and Dexv1.

DEXRON®-VI - GM Techlink

[SlickGT1]

Ghost, how do you feel about changing out all of your fluid. I have a feeling that Mobil fluid you have been running is not the best in the world. Since you are dropping the pan to put in an OE filter, let us know what those magnets and the bottom of the pan look like now. I am curious to see if you have more, if any shavings now.

[Ghost-Flame]

That is my plan. Wolf's head Super Synthetic ATF states in it's data sheet that it is dex3, dex6 and BmW ETL8072B compatible. Does this violate the spec?

AmalieStore:: Wolf’s Head Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (12 Quart Case), Synthetic Trans, 836-92866-56

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Ghost-Flame

That is my plan. Wolf's head Super Synthetic ATF states in it's data sheet that it is dex3, dex6 and BmW ETL8072B compatible. Does this violate the spec?

AmalieStore:: Wolf’s Head Universal Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (12 Quart Case), Synthetic Trans, 836-92866-56

Yes, that fluid violates the spec. It simply doesn't meet it. It doesn't even claim to meet it. Use it if you like, but why would you? You changed to an unapproved fluid, and are having transmission issues. You decide to change the fluid again, and now you are saying you want to use another unapproved fluid? Why would you do that?

There is a reason why fluid makers come out with universal fluids. It is cheaper for them. Less types to make and to keep in stock means more profit. Can't blame them for trying, and in a non-critical application any old fluid will do. But why keep hunting these types of products out?

Just wondering, did you read my posts above on universal fluids that don't get tested to the Dexron spec, but just claim that they are good enough to use anyway?

[Ghost-Flame]

Originally Posted by JCL

Yes, that fluid violates the spec. It simply doesn't meet it. It doesn't even claim to meet it. Its written / listed on their spec sheet I posted both the M1 and the wolf's head spec sheets. If I could drive to your house I would come and show you... it's listed on their spec sheet on their site Use it if you like, but why would you? You changed to an unapproved fluid,It's not unapproved DEX3 IS LISTED ON THE mobil1 site and are having transmission issues. You decide to change the fluid again, and now you are saying you wantI don't want to I asked a question about it's compatibility to use another unapproved fluid? Why would you do that?

There is a reason why fluid makers come out with universal fluids. It is cheaper for them. Less types to make and to keep in stock means more profit. Can't blame them for trying, and in a non-critical application any old fluid will do. But why keep hunting these types of products out?

Just wondering, did you read my posts above on universal fluids that don't get tested to the Dexron spec, but just claim that they are good enough to use anyway?

I did read all your posts and don't get that If a multi spec or Universal fluid says in their spec sheet that their fluid can be substituted for oe specs then what's the problem.
I come from a legal background. I would love to challenge a manufacturer in a consumer complaint, when the manufacturer is trying to get out of meeting a spec when it is plastered all over the spec sheet of their product. Their lawyers know that as well and you can be Darn sure that whatever is on the spec sheet is going to be used as evidence against the manufacturer... they just wouldn't say it if it weren't true.
Also, lots of oil companies don't certify the spec through the oem because they don't want to pay for the license. If they say it they are formulating to the spec.... they darn well better be!

Otherwise we would have been seeing consumer lawsuits about this by now.

[Ghost-Flame]

My original post was intended to bring light to the fact that the maintenance specification Says, you MUST change the fluid at 100K miles. Yeah you can choose not to, I suppose , just like you can choose not to change your oil or coolant.

I did not mean to get into a pee-ing match over a discussion over the minute, semantic argument regarding spec, license, suggested, compatible choice of ATF.

Use whatever darn fluid that satisfies your desire as long as it is formulated to the dexron3 recipe.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Ghost-Flame

I did read all your posts and don't get that If a multi spec or Universal fluid says in their spec sheet that their fluid can be substituted for oe specs then what's the problem.
I come from a legal background. I would love to challenge a manufacturer in a consumer complaint, when the manufacturer is trying to get out of meeting a spec when it is plastered all over the spec sheet of their product. Their lawyers know that as well and you can be Darn sure that whatever is on the spec sheet is going to be used as evidence against the manufacturer... they just wouldn't say it if it weren't true.
Also, lots of oil companies don't certify the spec through the oem because they don't want to pay for the license. If they say it they are formulating to the spec.... they darn well better be!

Otherwise we would have been seeing consumer lawsuits about this by now.

You should ask the oil companies what the problem is. It is pretty clear to me. Mobil, for example, make a Dexron VI approved fluid. They say to use it if you are under warranty and care about liability. Then they make a Mercon certified fluid that is labelled universal that they say you can use even though it isn't certified. They cover their liability by offering the Dexron fluid. It just isn't the same as the universal one you used. This is all covered in the link you provided. Notice the diferent wording for the specs of the two different fluids

Legal liability is based on precise language. They never claimed they tested it or met the spec. Onus would be on you to prove that a failure was due to their non-certified oil. Good luck with that

[TiAgX5]

That's the right stuff! BMW approves the Texaco ETL 8072 B spec fluid for use in the A5S 390R 5spd auto that came with the 3L engine. The BMW spec for this same fluid is 83 22 0 403 249.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by TiAgX5

That's the right stuff! BMW approves the Texaco ETL 8072 B spec fluid for use in the A5S 390R 5spd auto that came with the 3L engine. The BMW spec for this same fluid is 83 22 0 403 249.

It's the wrong stuff. But the maker of that fluid says it doesn't matter, you can use it in any vehicle that has an automatic transmission. Believe them if you like.