Federal Emissions Warranty

[bdubz]

Hey All -

Had the "Engine Malfunction" warning go off on my X35D, I brought it to my local BMW shop that I normally have service my X35D since the factory warranty is now expired. They said that the Active Reservoir needed to be replaced and it should be covered under the Federal Emissions Warranty (8yr/80k).

I brought it to the dealership service and they said they have never heard of this warranty before. I provided them with the BMWUSA manual which clearly identifies that BMW honors the warranty along with a list of parts that are covered under this warranty.

They said they would research it and I'm still waiting to hear back...

My Question:
Is the Active Reservoir covered under the Federal Emissions Warranty since it is part of the DEF system of my diesel?

To replace they quoted $1650

I found this online:
https://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E70-X5...ions/ES254461/

Here's a link to a copy of the warranty pages 31-34 state what is covered, but I need some help identifying if what the dealership is saying is actually covered. Thanks in advance!

http://cache.bmwusa.com/pdf_842e573e...0-0db51a507902

[ZetaTre]

Page 28 of the service manual you posted states: The California Emissions Control System

*The California Emissions Control System
Limited Warranty applies to all 2012 U.S.-
specification BMW SAV vehicles registered in
Arizona, California, Connecticut, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont or
Washington.

It's the California Emission Warranty that you care about, the Federal one is extremely short and extremely limited.

If you're in AZ than it has adopted CA emission standards and emission warranty so the chart applies to you. It's 7 years/70K miles.

[jfoj]

This gets a bit tricky.

First we need to know the age and mileage of the vehicle.

There is the 7 Year/70k Mile warranty, then there is the Federal Emission Warranty.

The problem with the Federal Emission Warranty is you have to reside in a location that requires periodic State Emission Testing and the car needs to fail the testing. But by default if the SES/CEL/MIL is on, the vehicle should not be eligible for Emission Testing, so therefore it technically fails.

Also only 2 items are listed under the Federal Emission Warranty for 8 Years/80k Miles -

"The following components and/or systems are/is
covered under the Federal Emission Warranty for
a period of 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever
occurs first.
CATALYTIC CONVERTER
ENGINE CONTROL MODULE (INCLUDING
ONBOARD DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM)"

So it does not look like the DEF tank is covered under the Federal Emission Warranty. Now someone can be a stickler and say you do not need an Emission Inspection for 11 more months, so this is not a problem if the part is a covered item.

I am guessing this vehicle is beyond the 7 Year/70k Mile window and you are trying to get coverage under the Federal Warranty?

This should really be a no brainer, EXCEPT, people need to FULLY read and Understand the double talk and inconsistencies between the standard Emission Warranty and the Federal Warranty.

I would put it this way, the SA at the dealer does not want to cover this repair as they make more money/commission. But at the same time the SA has probably never read the 10 pages for the New Car, CPO or Emission Warranty. The key reader at the dealership should help guide the SA electronically, however, if you think you are in the right, I would request to speak with the Service Manager and make sure he/she can CLEARLY explain why and under what circumstances you would not be covered. If they cannot do this, they do not clearly understand the coverages.

But if you are over 7 Years/70k Miles your DEF tank does not appear to be covered, however, I think there may be a lot of problems with the DEF tank system on these vehicles so the dealer may be able to get BMW to assist? It also depends how far out of the 7 Year/70k Mile window you are as well.

[ard]

Originally Posted by ZetaTre

Page 28 of the service manual you posted states: The California Emissions Control System

*The California Emissions Control System
Limited Warranty applies to all 2012 U.S.-
specification BMW SAV vehicles registered in
Arizona, California, Connecticut, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont or
Washington.

It's the California Emission Warranty that you care about, the Federal one is extremely short and extremely limited.

If you're in AZ than it has adopted CA emission standards and emission warranty so the chart applies to you. It's 7 years/70K miles.

This

Originally Posted by bdubz

I brought it to the dealership service and they said they have never heard of this warranty before.

What utter morons.

[jfoj]

Not an expert on Arizona rules, HOWEVER, this is an article from 2012, not sure if this still holds true for Arizona.

It may be possible that Arizona went along with CA Emission, then backed out, but the 2012 new car warranty info would have already been printed so it may be out of date?? It seems the 2012 and 2013 Warranty Manuals list Arizona, but the 2014 Warranty Manual does not! So maybe this info below is in fact correct???????

Arizona Dumps Stricter CA Emissions Standards Over Electric-Car Rules

Just tossing this out there for review and for people to be aware that Arizona may have back tracked.

[bdubz]

I apologize for not listing the year and miles.

2011 X35D
58.8k Miles

Thanks for the input ZetaTre & jfoj

Based on my year and mileage I believe it should be covered, but the SA at the dealership seems to be taking their time to confirm.

[jfoj]

Warranty info located at this link - BMW Ultimate Service® - Service & Warranty Books - BMW North America

For 2011 it appears the SCR Reagent Reservoir is CLEARLY covered under the California California Emissions Control System Limited Warranty applies

The California Emissions Control System Limited Warranty applies to all 2011 U.S.- specification BMW SAV vehicles registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont or Washington.

So if you your vehicle is "registered" in one of the above states you MAY be eligible for coverage. If not, then the part probably falls under the standard 36 Month/50k Mile Bumper to Bumper Warranty.

There still may be some "If's, And's or But's" if you CAREFULLY read things though. Not even sure why the 24 Month/24k Mile Federal Emissions Performance Warranty is even mentioned in the warranty booklet because at the end of the day the new vehicle Bumper to Bumper Warranty covers all of these items and beyond. Additionally ANY repair performed at a BMW dealer also carries a 24 Month/Unlimited Mileage Warranty on parts and labor regardless repair was performed. ANY parts purchased via a BMW Dealership either onsite or online also carry a 24 Month/Unlimited Mileage Warranty.

[Price]

Check the warranty booklets for you model year. What applies to 2012 may not be the case for your 2011.