'13 35d - Honeymoon is Over - P045F -Exhaust Gas Recirculation B Control Stuck Closed

[Best4x4xFAR]

Originally Posted by ard

There is a federal 8/80 warranty on THREE PARTS: DDE, CAT, OBD computer. (As I recall, read your manual)

Well, from what I am reading there is the federal Emissions warranty with very specific coverage of those three parts..

But there is also a California Air Resource Board (CARB) Emissions warranty that covers many more components. My understanding is that it covers cars in California, as well as other states that adopted CARB regulations, Maryland being one of them.

Starting on page 31 of the 2013 Service and Warranty guide is a list of components covered under the 7 year/70K mile CARB Warranty.

'EGR Valve (Low Pressure)' is one of the covered parts, along with the 'exhaust cooler for EGR', and many other high dollar parts like DPF, Turbo, fuel pumps, fuel injectors, etc, etc..

Caveat here may be the wording. If the vehicle fails emissions inspection. Well MD doesn't have an Emissions inspection. But it can be argued that it can't be inspected with a Check Engine light, so it would fail by default..

I dunno, service advisor hasn't gotten back to me (big surprise there)..

I need to finish researching and purchase a solution for reading codes, and diagnosing issues I guess (see post about Bimmergeeks product)..

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by ard

God this is bad advice...and I see it ALL THE TIME

There is a federal 8/80 warranty on THREE PARTS: DDE, CAT, OBD computer. (As I recall, read your manual)

SO many people blithely claim 'there an emsissions warrant, it's covered'.... Dealers are happy to collect $160 knowing FULL WELL it is not going to be covered.

Follow rickyboobys advice and you will piss away $$$$, They will take $160, then list $thousands of parts to replace and you will be no closer to REALLY knowing your issue.

Having said that, BMW has multiple parts warranties for some parts. Depends on what is wrong with your car.

Oh, don't bother 'wiping out' the 'carbon build up'.... Your issue is almost surely not that.

Which is why I suggested he go to the dealer - diagnosing the complex emissions system and multiple components that fail by saying what "P" code he is throwing is going to get him nowhere

If you buy a BMW out of warranty and especially a BMW diesel you need to be prepared to do two things:

1) Spend a good amount of money at a independent BMW mechanic or alternatively the dealer if you trust them, to keep the emissions system working and intact as there are multiple components that will fail at some point or multiple times

or

2) Deletes

Since OP is sticking with keeping everything intact, he needs to be prepared to pay for proper diagnostics, and component replacement costs - yes some parts will be goodwilled, and yes I'm aware the Federal Emissions warranty is EXTREMELY limited, however, the CARB warranty is helpful to him, if his components qualify - (there is a gray area I read where he needs to need emissions testing in order to qualify for it)


I did post this above as well in a later post on the thread, since you only really read my first response - https://xoutpost.com/1052272-post3.html - which clearly agrees with what you are saying -


Either way, a diagnostic fee is only charged when the work isn't being done by the dealer to reimburse for their time, I recommend he go to the dealer, have them diagnose the problem properly, and fix it (which is likely one of the EGR valve) properly, and be prepared to have random things in the emissions system that need to be fixed properly in his ownership -


I was lucky enough that my wifes 2013 CPO still had factory warranty for about 8 months, and boy did it come in handy, between 42k when we picked it up it needed the following a week later:


-both NOX sensors replaced (those are pricey)
-Power steering pump (that was a WOW) considering the miles, with deflection/idler pulley)
-Transmission sealing sleeve (tech said it was leaking)


2 months later CEL back on and no issues driving, take to dealer and its throwing SCR efficiency code so the following was ordered and replaced under warranty as it took a month to come in-
-SCR Catalyst (another pricey item)


I have the service records from the first owner of her car, both DEF tanks and metering nozzles and sensors were replaced at 35k as well.

[ard]

Originally Posted by Best4x4xFAR

Well, from what I am reading there is the federal Emissions warranty with very specific coverage of those three parts..

But there is also a California Air Resource Board (CARB) Emissions warranty that covers many more components. My understanding is that it covers cars in California, as well as other states that adopted CARB regulations, Maryland being one of them.

Starting on page 31 of the 2013 Service and Warranty guide is a list of components covered under the 7 year/70K mile CARB Warranty.

'EGR Valve (Low Pressure)' is one of the covered parts, along with the 'exhaust cooler for EGR', and many other high dollar parts like DPF, Turbo, fuel pumps, fuel injectors, etc, etc..

Caveat here may be the wording. If the vehicle fails emissions inspection. Well MD doesn't have an Emissions inspection. But it can be argued that it can't be inspected with a Check Engine light, so it would fail by default..

I dunno, service advisor hasn't gotten back to me (big surprise there)..

I need to finish researching and purchase a solution for reading codes, and diagnosing issues I guess (see post about Bimmergeeks product)..

Yes.

That is different from the fed warranty.

It is not a 'if it fails we cover'... it is "if these parts fail they are warranted"

IMO you need to figure out how to diagnose your issues and once you prove the parts are bad, THEN go to the dealer.

[ard]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Which is why

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Your posts indicate you believe there is an 'emissions system warranty' for 8/80. There isnt.

[Best4x4xFAR]

Well, the dealer is doing its usual vague BS, can't tell me anything till they look at it, $140 Diagnostic fee, whether it is covered or not..

Not surprised I guess, was hoping someone would throw me a bone on their experience with emissions related repairs outside of warranty, but they clearly weren't going to do it..

But I don't have a BMW specific scan tool, so I guess I am at their mercy (or an indy) at this point...

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by Best4x4xFAR

Well, the dealer is doing its usual vague BS, can't tell me anything till they look at it, $140 Diagnostic fee, whether it is covered or not..

Not surprised I guess, was hoping someone would throw me a bone on their experience with emissions related repairs outside of warranty, but they clearly weren't going to do it..

But I don't have a BMW specific scan tool, so I guess I am at their mercy (or an indy) at this point...

$140 diagnostic fee only applies if you choose not to get the work done - I have not paid diagnostic fees at dealers or indy's if I'm getting work done, its included in my final bill - they just have to charge a fee for the people who want the troubleshooting done and then want to DIY the labor -



Bite the bullet and have the dealer fix it, and move on, IMO... Could be something as stupid as a software update needed on the emissions controls, I've heard of weird things like that too...

[Best4x4xFAR]

Scratches head..
Strange, light is out again this weekend..

Drive cycle seems to be more short trips and idle time during the week, where as I put some highway miles on it this weekend, and my foot tends to be a bit heavier than my wifes..

Not sure if that is related, or if putting a tank of the Southern States 'super gold' diesel though it has made a difference..

[itsbrokeagain]

Originally Posted by Best4x4xFAR

Scratches head..
Strange, light is out again this weekend..

Drive cycle seems to be more short trips and idle time during the week, where as I put some highway miles on it this weekend, and my foot tends to be a bit heavier than my wifes..

Not sure if that is related, or if putting a tank of the Southern States 'super gold' diesel though it has made a difference..

Judging by the very low mileage I'm gonna say a lot of the issues are stemming from very short drive times and no adequate highway driving. I'd say a good long trip at highway speeds to get the thing plenty hot to start. I worked for BMW for a bit and we had so many issues from people literally driving the car down the block to the store and back, and they never got the car up to temp but maybe 3-5 times in it's entire 2 year lease period.

[AlpineX]

Originally Posted by Best4x4xFAR

Scratches head..
Strange, light is out again this weekend..

Spend the dealer diag fee getting a BMW specific scan tool like the foxwell/schwaben, so you can read what the code is. It may not be visible to you, but it will be visible to the tool.



CARB warranty only applies to vehicles that were *originally titled* in a CARB state.

[Best4x4xFAR]

Originally Posted by itsbrokeagain

Judging by the very low mileage I'm gonna say a lot of the issues are stemming from very short drive times and no adequate highway driving. I'd say a good long trip at highway speeds to get the thing plenty hot to start. I worked for BMW for a bit and we had so many issues from people literally driving the car down the block to the store and back, and they never got the car up to temp but maybe 3-5 times in it's entire 2 year lease period.

I'd definitely say it gets up to operating temperature on a daily basis, but most of my wife's running around during the week does not involve highway travel. But I would say it takes a solid 30 minute or more Highway trip weekly, sometimes a couple of times a week (usually on the weekends)..

Originally Posted by AlpineX

Spend the dealer diag fee getting a BMW specific scan tool like the foxwell/schwaben, so you can read what the code is. It may not be visible to you, but it will be visible to the tool.

CARB warranty only applies to vehicles that were *originally titled* in a CARB state.

I do need to make that investment, can't decide what to buy though..

Car was originally registered in Maryland, sold at auction, purchased in VA and registered again in MD, so hopefully CARB extended warranty should apply..