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Old 07-24-2019, 09:30 PM
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Except when I put in my VIN, FCPEuro states “This is not for your X5”.
Thanks for the help, but maybe I’ll send you my VIN and see if you get a different answer

Much appreciated!!!!
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FOLLOW UP: There is no place to put the VIN on the FCP site when ordering, you just get the pull down menus, so I sent FCP an email with the VIN. Will let you know what they say
If you look at the fitment chart. Your 2011 35i is listed. Lots of BMW's use that ZF trans.

Your shop is definitely on the high side. Had my '05 x5 4.4i done for ~$500 all in at an indy. Not the exact same engine, but prices for the service kits and labor should be similar. Still a ZF trans.
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:30 PM
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Thanks for the feedback.
I THINK the difference is my Indy only uses OEM parts. In fact, I’m the only customer that he lets buy and bring using my BMWCCA discount oem parts.
I cannot tell from the FCP listing if they are OEM or not (sometimes they sell kits with OEM parts for more than whatever vendor they source from) so I asked if any of the parts were OEM.

I will say that since I sent a note to FCP they have sent 3 replies that they have received my email and will reply tomorrow. (OK guys I got you)

Anyway, as I began this story, and my Indy quoted me $800 or so for parts alone, tomorrow I will visit my local friendly BMW dealer just to ask what the “kit” would cost. Even if it’s double FCP that’s still not $800.

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Old 07-24-2019, 10:41 PM
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I'm assuming you mean OE parts? OE parts are typically more expensive than OEM and OE are the parts you get from the dealer.

Anyway, my dealer dropped the pan, installed a new pan/filter and replaced the lost fluid for $618.84 when I had it done year before last. I just didn't see the value or savings doing it myself. It was worth it to me.
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Old 07-25-2019, 12:07 AM
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Wow... I came to get some INFORMATION and while I am very sympathetic to the OP, my trans has been making some high pitched whining noises (2011 e70 3.0, BTW) and I too have 50K miles on my clock. Took it to my indy (The Great Folks at German Car Shop in Edison NJ) and Serge and I went for a 15 minute ride. Of course, no whine (or cheese for that matter). So I asked because the manual says 50-60K get a trans fluid and filter change, how much might that be. That's when my jaw hit the floor... $1,000 estimate, mostly for parts and fluid, labor is a couple of hours maybe. So when I got home I went to REALOEM.COM, put in my vin, and it shows PNs but no prices.
Is there anyone here who can educate me? $1k sounds like a lot for (as I am told) mostly the filter, the pan, and the fluid.
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"great" guys???? Hmm.


1. There are a TON of threads on ATF changes. Its old news. New to you, but well traveled ground in the E70 world...


2. It isnt 'mostly parts' in that $1000. He is almost surely billing you inflated retail BMW OE parts prices, but will use OEM ZF pan and OEM ZF fluid.



theCTSC.com


$258 for parts https://www.thectsc.com/products/oil...ce-186-61.html


your great guys at the shop are making $740 for 1.5hrs labor. And if they are really buyign it from BMW, probably only $500-600.




BTW- the filter is integral to the pan. So there is ONE part- the pan. Not 'a pan and a filter'. Anyone leading you to think there are two expensive parts may be, uh, misleading you.



3. Insisting on buying parts based on VIN seems oddly limiting ...especially for maintenance items. Why?


4. You seem to be mixing OE and OEM. Read my sig.


5. Finally, why insist on OE parts for something where OEM is undeniably identical?
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Old 07-25-2019, 05:50 AM
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Hi
Yeah the OE vs OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) confused me a little.
I'm assuming (dangerous) that OEM part comes in a BMW BOX OR BAG with a BMW part number.
OE (Original Equipment) is made by the same vendor as OEM so same build quality but no BMW pn affixed. Frequently I have found this in water pumps. All come off the same assembly line One becomes BMW, one becomes VDO
Am I close?
Didn't see anything in your signature
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Hi
Yeah the OE vs OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) confused me a little.
I'm assuming (dangerous) that OEM part comes in a BMW BOX OR BAG with a BMW part number.
OE (Original Equipment) is made by the same vendor as OEM so same build quality but no BMW pn affixed. Frequently I have found this in water pumps. All come off the same assembly line One becomes BMW, one becomes VDO
Am I close?
Didn't see anything in your signature
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my bad, forgot this is xoutpost!




your defintion is EXACTLY opposite.



https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/member.php?u=159669


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OE is Original Equipment aka 'BMW Original Parts' aka 'What you buy at the BMW dealer with a BMW label'

OEM is Original Equipment Manufacturer... EITHER the company that made the OE part or.... A part this is identical to the OE part, but is sold by the OEM under their own label


OEM is not what BMW sells


http://www.bimmerzone.com/category/T...ricks_OEM.html

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-OEvsOEM
Finally, there are relatively few parts where the OE/OEM distinction is utterly without merit. Where buying a BMW part or a ZF part is a waste of money. The trans pan and filter is one- it is literally ONLY the logo you are buying- it isnt like there is a different QA process or other hidden issue. Likewise with fluid. In fact, I think BWM sells the ZF6 fluid in a ZF bottle, just doubles the price.


Spark plugs are another- BMW gets NGK to put BMW on the box, price triples.



Unlike brake parts; suspension components, alternators, pumps....for many of those the OEM/OE differences become much murkier.

GL!

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Old 07-27-2019, 12:45 AM
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THANK YOU!

Hi Ard,
I owe you a meal, an "adult" beverage or BOTH when/if you come to NJ.
I brought the print out from FCPEuro to my Indy.
Told him I was buying the OE kit (as indicated on the FCP page) which included the pan/filter, replacement one time use bolts, and 7 qts of BMW approved trans fluid for the low, low price of $281.92. Then I simply said, "I'd still like you to do the labor" which he estimated at 2 hours at $110 ph.

So from close to $1,000 I ended up at about $500... thanks to your 'splainin!

According to their delivery schedule, I paid the extra $7.99 to have it here by Tues-Wed of next week, since I am on the schedule for Thursday.

One question remains. If you go to YouTube, there is a DIY "How to service a BMW E70 X5 Transmission". In the video, the author also pulls out the mechatronic (sp?) unit out in order to replace the "Bridge Seal". My Indy advised AGAINST removing the mechatronic unit to replace the bridge seal, so I did not order it. Do the bridge seals truly fail and is it worth another hour's worth of labor to apparently get some additional fluid that seemed to seep out when he removed the mechatronic unit?

My offer for drink and food is good for about a year, then you'll have to come to SC when we move next spring.

Thank you again!

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Yes, the bridge seal sometimes fails and leaks pressure causing issues.
There's 4 other tube seals and the seal for the connector plug too which are recommended if you're doing the bridge seal.


From my fcp order as I did it last weekend. Paste the numbers in search to get the item tip show up.

Open uri20150908 3539 1omcp20 BMW Automatic Transmission Adapter Plug - ZF 24347571211
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$7.16
Open uri20150716 11984 1bbja4l BMW 25.9mm Mechatronic Sealing Sleeve - ZF 24107519314
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$5.54
Open uri20140312 16226 ttk7tv BMW Mechatronics Sealing Sleeve - ZF 24347588725
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$14.17
Open uri20150716 11984 1rmpuus BMW Automatic Transmission Valve Body Sealing Sleeve - ZF 24107519315
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$3.41
Open uri20150716 11984 l2pase BMW Automatic Transmission Valve Body Sealing Sleeve - ZF 24107520715

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Old 07-27-2019, 07:27 PM
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Rob:
I'm getting responses from FCPEuro that the valve sleeves will not fit me car for the numbers you provided (thank you, btw). When I look up my car in REALOEM I GET: X5 E70 LCI X5 35iX Automatic transmission GA8HP45Z - AWD

Does this mean it is NOT A ZF?

VIN: L413628

Everything else seems right but the clock is tick if I am going to have these by Tues/Wed.

Anyone able to decipher the right pns and help an old grandpa out?

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Old 07-27-2019, 08:52 PM
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Hi Ard,
I owe you a meal, an "adult" beverage or BOTH when/if you come to NJ.
I brought the print out from FCPEuro to my Indy.
Told him I was buying the OE kit (as indicated on the FCP page) which included the pan/filter, replacement one time use bolts, and 7 qts of BMW approved trans fluid for the low, low price of $281.92. Then I simply said, "I'd still like you to do the labor" which he estimated at 2 hours at $110 ph.

So from close to $1,000 I ended up at about $500... thanks to your 'splainin!

According to their delivery schedule, I paid the extra $7.99 to have it here by Tues-Wed of next week, since I am on the schedule for Thursday.

One question remains. If you go to YouTube, there is a DIY "How to service a BMW E70 X5 Transmission". In the video, the author also pulls out the mechatronic (sp?) unit out in order to replace the "Bridge Seal". My Indy advised AGAINST removing the mechatronic unit to replace the bridge seal, so I did not order it. Do the bridge seals truly fail and is it worth another hour's worth of labor to apparently get some additional fluid that seemed to seep out when he removed the mechatronic unit?

My offer for drink and food is good for about a year, then you'll have to come to SC when we move next spring.

Thank you again!

ed in sweaty NJ

Having grown up traversing NJ once or twice a week, I try to avoid it now.


Glad it helped.


I didnt do the sleeve on my first ATF change at 60k, but will do it at 120k.



For me, if it were to fail at some point, its a few hours of my own work.
If you are paying, its a bit more painful.


And here is the really tough part- there isnt a code (or symptom) that pops up to say 'the mechatronics sleeve is leaking- change it'. You may get some odd trans behaviours, and you'll be in that weird "I just changed the ATF 3 months ago, maybe redo it and change the sleeve this time?" position....


Lots of folks havent changed it. Id lean towards replacement if it has never been done and you are pushing 75- 100k

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