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#51
10-01-2006, 02:41 PM
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An unwavering defender of those I see worth protecting. "promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare" We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. 
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#52
10-01-2006, 03:25 PM
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E53 X5 4.8is is a top-end performance model! While E70 X5 4.8i is a basic V8 model - replacing E53 X5 4.4i. Please do not mix apples with oranges. Despite E53 4.8is & E70 4.8i have the same type of engine, the settings are very different (also in power & torque output). The settings in E53 4.8si are set for better performance, while in E70 4.8i are set for better milage. Also E70 is a bit heavier than E53, and even a bit more when ordered with 3rd row seats. So you should compare performance of E53 with basic V8 (X5 4.4i), and of E70 with basic V8 (X5 4.8i). So, 0-60mph: 6.8s vs 6.4s While E53 X5 4.8is (with 0-60mph in 5.9s) should be compared to upcoming E70 top-end performance model. 
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10-01-2006, 04:22 PM
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Ahh, no that is simply an explanation for accepting the reduction in performance. So new 4.8 owners can be sure to tell pre 07 4.8 owners..." I'm not slow, I'm meant to compete with a 4.4 from a year ago" With all the competition in the SAV/SUV market, I would have expect BMW to really try to unload on their 50-60K ride.
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An unwavering defender of those I see worth protecting. "promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare" We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Last edited by Wagner; 10-01-2006 at 04:29 PM.
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10-01-2006, 04:37 PM
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Yes, X5 will still have top performance version, but whole X5 model line will be positioned below X6 performance wise. Still the performance version of E70 X5 will be able to reach 0-60mph way below 6 seconds. But this treat will come with a price. Quite a price. Expecting a sub-6s large premium SAV for $55k is da*n naive ...  It's like saying "Da*n, my E60 545i is slower than E39 M5". Of course it is - since one is a regular model with V8, the other performance model with V8. You are mixing apples and oranges here. ***** Btw, are you buying a SUV for racing around? For drag racing from trafficlight to trafficlight? Wow! But if you really want a performance SAV-ish vehicle wait for X6. X5 is not for you. Last edited by scott27; 10-01-2006 at 04:44 PM.
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10-01-2006, 04:55 PM
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Considering I already have an X5...and have been around for a while, I'm pretty sure the X5 was for me. The point you missed was me simply asking why lower the expectation of the 4.8.
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10-01-2006, 05:14 PM
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These three factors result in worse 0-60mph figure. The "s" in the badge is there for a reason. 4.8is > 4.8i !!! Maybe you would be happier if BMW had put 4.7i badge instead of 4.8i on E70. 
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10-01-2006, 05:19 PM
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Nah, just be nice if Bimmers stayed with the power that brought them. I don't think anyone buys a 5000+lb vehicle with a V8 looking at MPG.
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10-01-2006, 05:32 PM
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 But really - expecting today you will be able to get a sub-6s premium large German SAV for $55k is realy naive. You will get your well-sub-6s version in a while, but a price will be higher. May I ask why are you so obsessed with 0-60 figures? I really do not understand why some people think BMW as "Ultimate Drag-race Machine". We are about being "Ultimate Driving Machine", and about "Sheer Driving Pleasure", and about "Freude am Fahren". And this goes beyond 0-60 or 1/4 mile drag races. And majority of BMW fans & customers know that. And they appreciate that. And that's why they buy BMW vehicles. Not for 0-60mph or 1/4 mile drag races. But some (a minority!) are unfortunately just under delusion. Last edited by scott27; 10-01-2006 at 05:39 PM.
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