E70 4.8i X5 vs the new Cayenne S

[scott27]

Originally Posted by vinuneuro

That's fair, though I think you missed the point on this one. You're over-complicating things a bit.
This can't be good..don't work for marketing? Where's the cross-functionality?

No, not the marketing. Something more interesting ...

[vinuneuro]

Originally Posted by scott27

No, not the marketing. Something more interesting ...

fine

[canamx5]

Originally Posted by scott27

Once again: do not compare E53 4.8is with E70 4.8i. It's like comparing regular 3er coupe with M3. Or 320i with special edition 320si. Very different personalities.

E70 4.8i is a substitute for E53 4.4i, NOT 4.8is - despite same 4.8 designation.

A performance version of E70 will come later - just like E53 performance version came later after E53's launch.

Btw, E70 is a very capable vehicle - definitely much better than E53 (comparing entry I6 & V8 versions).

I think the comparison of the new 4.8i and e53 4.8is is valid as they are close in hp and 0-60 time.Waiting for the new ''IS'' to compare it to the old one is rediculous because the hp gap will be huge and it will be much faster (not fair).I understand ''IS'' OWNERS are reluctant to compare the 2 as one is highend model and the other is entry level. That's 7 years of evolution for you... Oh yeah btw, 10 seconds faster around the nurburgring!!! NUMBERS DON'T LIE.

[Denalio]

I hardly think the 4.8i is entry level!

[canamx5]

Originally Posted by Denalio

I hardly think the 4.8i is entry level!

I agree, call it what you want .I think you get the point! Yes?

[scott27]

Originally Posted by canamx5

I think the comparison of the new 4.8i and e53 4.8is is valid as they are close in hp and 0-60 time.Waiting for the new ''IS'' to compare it to the old one is rediculous because the hp gap will be huge and it will be much faster (not fair).I understand ''IS'' OWNERS are reluctant to compare the 2 as one is highend model and the other is entry level. That's 7 years of evolution for you... Oh yeah btw, 10 seconds faster around the nurburgring!!! NUMBERS DON'T LIE.

E53 4.8is had different engine, throttle, steering & suspension settings (stiffer) - tuned to deliver much more raw performance / racing feeling. E53 4.8is is a performance version of X5!

While E70 4.8i is a "civil", regular version of X5. With settings tuned to deliver refined driving feeling (compared to much more raw one in "is" version).

Despite having same engine with similar power / torque output the cars are very different (due different settings). And are meant to be different.

Mind that in E53 a 4.4i was an entry V8 version, while in E70 that role goes to 4.8i (entry V8 version!).

Really, it's not valid to mix & compare performance version to regular ones. Like comparing a acing car to a "civil" one. Like comparing M to non-M.

Btw, imagine what a beast a new performance version will be if a regular version (E70 4.8i) is already almost as good (or in some respects even better) as previous performance version (E53 4.8is)!

[canamx5]

Originally Posted by scott27

E53 4.8is had different engine, throttle, steering & suspension settings (stiffer) - tuned to deliver much more raw performance / racing feeling. E53 4.8is is a performance version of X5!

While E70 4.8i is a "civil", regular version of X5. With settings tuned to deliver refined driving feeling (compared to much more raw one in "is" version).

Despite having same engine with similar power / torque output the cars are very different (due different settings). And are meant to be different.

Mind that in E53 a 4.4i was an entry V8 version, while in E70 that role goes to 4.8i (entry V8 version!).

Really, it's not valid to mix & compare performance version to regular ones. Like comparing a acing car to a "civil" one. Like comparing M to non-M.

Btw, imagine what a beast a new performance version will be if a regular version (E70 4.8i) is already almost as good (or in some respects even better) as previous performance version (E53 4.8is)!

I agree with what you are saying,I was basically just compairing numbers wich are very similar. I can't even begin to imagine how ferousious the new ''IS'' will be.Are we talking 0-60 in the high 4's?probably 5.0?

[cue03]

Originally Posted by scott27

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Btw, imagine what a beast a new performance version will be if a regular version (E70 4.8i) is already almost as good (or in some respects even better) as previous performance version (E53 4.8is)!

This is the baby I am waiting for.... or should i say I will wait till she is one year old before I leave the existing 4.8is to get into the new "IS" replacement or into the Porsche Pepper Turbo.

So that should give me 2-3 years of service out of my existing 4.8is.

just in time for the stars and moon to line up and for me to get the new ride...

Curtis

[Quicksilver]

Originally Posted by chiefneil

In my friend's case, he had a problem with his power driver's seat under warranty. A new one was ordered, but the dealer never called to let him know it was in. He was notified the next time he went in for service, after his warranty expired. And you know what? The dealer refused to install the seat under warranty! They wanted him to pay for it. He contacted BMW NA, and got the same story from them. He's since dumped his X5 and vowed never to buy another BMW.

Guess what, California law states that if a warranty issue is found documented and agreed to between the customer and the dealer and the warranty runs out before it's repaired then that repair must be completed under warranty even if the date for the warranry has expired. In effect the warranty is extended until that issue is resolved. Just saw that lately regarding others who have had issues like this with vehicles

[DINANM3]

that law is in CT also