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Old 07-16-2007, 06:13 PM
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ML 63 amg drive vs E70

Now I know the ML 63 AMG is alot faster than the E70, but has anyone driven one and can you compare it to the E70 Sport suspension? I have found an ML 63 amg very slightly used for only 7k more than my E70. It is very tempting to get one just bc of the speed opposed to the E70. I love the E70 suspension and the tight feel, and bc there are no AMG's at the dealer to drive, I am trying to get opinions off of here. Any help, opinions, or cut downs about the ML 63 appreciated.


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Old 07-16-2007, 06:56 PM
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Apples to oranges comparison, but here is a review of ML 63 by a member here. He moved from E53 4.8is.
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The ML's used to be junk (especially the interior quality), but they are much improved, especially in AMG guise. That said, they are not the same experience in terms of the overall feel as the E70. I am not saying they are better or worse, since it's a very subjective matter. That said, in actual driving, you can't really exploit the performance advantage of the 6.2 over the 5.5 in that vehicle in day to day driving, so for most, the reason to buy the ML63 is for bragging rights and status. The 4.8 is a usuable increase in performance over the 3.0 in the BMW, but when the Twin Turbo comes, I forsee BMW having to upgrade the 4.8 as well or sales will plummet unless the price on the TT goes up to close to the current 4.8 pricing.
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I spent quite a bit of time in a few ML63's while deciding what to buy after getting rid of my E53 4.8is. THe first one I drove, impressed me greatly with its performance, and I liked the idea of a hand built engine considering the reliability issues I'd gone through with the 4.8.

Got hold of a ML63 for a day or two on extended test which is great without the saleman around. Took it around the city in traffic, out on the freeway for a blast, a special twisty bit of road in Melbourne where you can really find a car out etc.

Was almost hooked BUT.......

1. could not get my head around the indicator stalk being so low
2. foot parking brakes in a $160k car? no thanks
3. handling was very mushy regardless of suspension setting

so went away and thought some more. Organized another day in another demo and what a POS it was. The engine did not have the same pick up, the radio/nav fascia was so badly fitted that you could see 2mm gaps around it in places, and a few other things more visible in the lighter trim that I had not seen in the balck car I'd driven previously.

It boiled down to the fact that obviously the quality and power varies and I decided that without the power, it wasn't that nice a vehicle.

Driving experience, BMW hands down, handling, poise, comfort, ergonomics also cleans up.

I actually thought the Cayenne out performed the ML63 for handling, although I'm sure once the 5.4 E70 comes out then BMW will up the ante even more and puill ahead further IMO.

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Old 07-17-2007, 07:45 AM
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I checked out the ML, GL, Q7 & X5, (my daughter has a Toureg V8) and at the time I was an owner of a E53 sports, I was told that if you where going to buy the new E70 and wanted someting different in feel & handling wait until the adaptive Drive with Active Steer was available.

Which I did, to me this is a completely different car to drive than a normal E70, I mean it just sits flat on the road and through corners. It is a strange feeling until one gets a custom to it, usually cars lean or become unstable when you push them through tight twisting corners or through dips and camber changes in the road, but this is a great handling SUV.

In everyday driving you may not see the need for this but on a country road is worth spending $6-7k extra for this option, especially in a 2400kg SUV. To me it gives you that sports car feeling.

We travel 340klms every weekend to our beach house which incorporates city driving, freeway driving, two lane highway driving, then down country dual lane, ferry crossing, dirt road & 14klm of actual beach driving with a small creek crossing and if it is full tide and the surfs up then it 14klm of rally driving through 12" of soft powdery beach sand. (also watch out for the jellyfish because they drip like gue from the under carriage and in summer the smell is shocking)
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I checked out the ML, GL, Q7 & X5, (my daughter has a Toureg V8) and at the time I was an owner of a E53 sports, I was told that if you where going to buy the new E70 and wanted someting different in feel & handling wait until the adaptive Drive with Active Steer was available.

Which I did, to me this is a completely different car to drive than a normal E70, I mean it just sits flat on the road and through corners. It is a strange feeling until one gets a custom to it, usually cars lean or become unstable when you push them through tight twisting corners or through dips and camber changes in the road, but this is a great handling SUV.

In everyday driving you may not see the need for this but on a country road is worth spending $6-7k extra for this option, especially in a 2400kg SUV. To me it gives you that sports car feeling.

We travel 340klms every weekend to our beach house which incorporates city driving, freeway driving, two lane highway driving, then down country dual lane, ferry crossing, dirt road & 14klm of actual beach driving with a small creek crossing and if it is full tide and the surfs up then it 14klm of rally driving through 12" of soft powdery beach sand. (also watch out for the jellyfish because they drip like gue from the under carriage and in summer the smell is shocking)
You should be a writer (or are you already?) thanks for the informative and the most entertaining post ever!
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M-B ML63 AMB vs. BMW X5 (Some Observations & Opinions from an Owner)

I just joined X5world today and decided to add my "2 cents" to this thread, based on my experience. I have a 2007 ML63 that I had ordered in 3/07 and took delivery in 6/07 and now have approx. 12,000 miles on it. Also, I previously had two BMW X5 4.4is - 2001 & 2004 models equiped all available options and with the sport package as well as the full BMW exterior aero body trim kits. I leased both of those vehicles for 3 years each. I felt then and still do that those two SUV/SAV's were the best all-round vehicles available at their respective time, with very car-like handling, yet with the advantages of all-wheel drive, high seat visability, storage capacity, (well ok, just enough capactiy....) and great aestetics inside and out.

In the spring of 2007 I test drove the 2007 BMW X5 4.8 and was surprised and disappointed to find that its handling was not quite as good as the 2004 X5 model. As previous posters have noted the acceleration on the 07 BMW 4.8 is about the same as on earlier 4.4s due to the added size and weight on the new model. (If BMW had put the M5 & M6's 500hp V-10 into the new X5 model as another option, it would have been a tougher choice for me and probably some others as well). BTW, I also previously had a 2004 E55 AMG that completely corrupted and spoiled me for wanting to always have the ability to have brutally fast acceleration when I am driving. Having thoroughly enjoyed the power and build quality of my '04 E55, I decided to go with the ML63 and so far do not regret that choice at all.

Did I consider the E63 AMG wagon? Yes, for a few seconds, but I am "old school" and it is still a station wagon, with all of the memories and connotations from my childhood, although probably the hottest wagon available. My neighbor has had three Range Rovers and has had nothing but problems with them, to the point where his RR Dealer gave him a new vehicle, (required under NJs Lemon Law), due to the number and extent of defects, failures and problems on his 2006 model. The only real negatives for the ML63 is its resale value will drop more and faster than the other two models and its gas mileage is poor, (Im getting 18.5 mpg on the highway and around 12 mpg in city traffic).

Therefore, I add my vote and recommendation to test drive a ML63 and see what you think and if its close comparison, and you don't mind spending an extra $10,000 over a fully loaded X5 4.8, go with the Mercedes. So now, if I want good gas mileage and fun driving I borrow my wifes new 2007 BMW 335i twin turbo coupe w/sport pkg. since it gets well over 24 mpg on average and is almost as fast as my AMG SUV!

BTW - Another observation about BMW vs. Mercedes-Benz, as a result of our two very recent acquisitions. BMW provides their "Assist" system free of charge for the first four (4) years of car ownership, whereas M-B TeleAid is free for just the 1st year then $240/year after that. Also my wife's BMW 335i comes with regular maintenance/service covered free-of-charge for the first 4-years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. M-B used to have this program as well, (my '04 E55 was covered under it). Unfortunately, M-B decided last year to discontinue this program due to its high cost to them, transferring that cost to us owners. Oh well...

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Old 04-01-2008, 12:58 AM
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Continuation of ML63 AMG to BMW X5 4.8

BTW - I am also a member of the MBWorld Discussion Forum and over the past year we have had a similar thread discussion on the pros and cons of the ML63 AMG compared to the BMW X5, as well as the Porsche Cayenne, Range Rover Sport, and a few others. If anyone is interested in reading more personal experiences and opinions of other owners and their thoughts on the BMW X5 then check it out for yourselves at the following web site link:

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...7970&highlight=

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Hey AVB-AMG - excellent 1st 2 posts - welcome!!!!
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I've driven all three. Get the ML63 if you want to go fast in a straight-line. Get the E70 4.8i if you want to go slower than the MB in a straight-line, but much faster in turns. Wait for the E70 __is model if you want to go faster in both a straight-line and the turns.

The E70's new front suspension geometry can't be touched. Every race car uses a double-wishbonse suspension like the because it yields the best possible camber curve and has less stiction than a strut type system. =better handling and grip, with less ride harshness. This geometry works very well upfront (like the E70) in fwd and awd cars.

Imo, if you want the power and the handling, and can't wait, you should be looking at a Cayenne Turbo. Almost every product by MB is substandard in terms of engineering and quality; it's kind of like the Big 3, but German.
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