New Diesels to come: high diesel fuel costs

[chonko]

Originally Posted by Penguin

> Let us hypothetically take the average MPG for the diesel as 35 and that for Petrol as 20.

That's a much bigger difference between petrol and diesel than I have ever heard about, e.g., I read this about a MB Diesel -- "The diesel E-Class's fuel economy rating is 26/35 mpg, for a combined 30 mpg, and compares with 19/26, for a combined 21 mpg, in the gasoline E350.

I said hypothetically, I was just throwing numbers without a thought to actual figures.
Thanks for pointing out the actual numbers using BM diesel.
For this case 30 vs 21 for an annual 12000 miles will yield savings of $575 a year.

[Boston X5 4.4]

Originally Posted by JFW

chonko,


X5 3.0si gets 21 mpg (us) and from what I've read the diesel gets 28 mpg (us). If so savings are not so much on a diesel. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the mpg.

High 20's mpg seems to be what people are posting for mixed driving in this thread. Seeing as mpg is calculated based on imperial gallon which is about 20% bigger than US, 28mpg is probably ambitious.
http://www.xoutpost.com/x5-e70-forum/...ght=diesel+mpg

[Boston X5 4.4]

Originally Posted by chonko

Let us hypothetically take the average MPG for the diesel as 35 and that for Petrol as 20.
Let us hypothetically say that you do 12000 miles a year.

1. For a diesel powered car, that will bring you to 343 gallons, resulting to a cost of $1265 a year on fuel (343 x $3.69)
2. For the petrol powered car, you will require 600 gallons, resulting to a cost of $2154 a year on fuel. (600 x $3.59)

The savings from using diesel = $(2154- 1265)= $889/yr.
Over 5 years = $4445.

Something else that you need to know, this(US) is one of the few countries in the world where diesel cost more than petrol.

I'm sure that BMWNA will play the 'efficiency' card and bump the sticker price of a diesel when compared to a petrol version - don't forget to subtract that off your gas savings

[chonko]

Originally Posted by Boston X5 4.4

I'm sure that BMWNA will play the 'efficiency' card and bump the sticker price of a diesel when compared to a petrol version - don't forget to subtract that off your gas savings

From some silly talks, I gather that the diesels will attract about $2k premium over the petrol engines.
I hope it isn't overpriced.

[Boston X5 4.4]

Originally Posted by chonko

From some silly talks, I gather that the diesels will attract about $2k premium over the petrol engines.
I hope it isn't overpriced.

Agreed, on the otherside of the coin your value at resale/trade-in will be worth more.

[jojo]

Is the March 2008 availability for the Diesel confirmed? I thought the Diesels won't be available before November 2008.

[DSE]

Like most manufacturers, BMW will no doubt charge a premium for diesel engines. After all, they are more expensive to manufacture. In addition to higher MsPG, the diesel engine will have better torque (feel zippier when accelerating from a stop or low speeds), longer life, and likely lead to greater resale value. For me, the 3.0 liter gas engine is underpowered for the X5, while the 4.8 liter has plenty of power but is too thirsty and not as reliable as a BMW diesel -- if BMW's past experience with V8s is any guide. (If, however, gas was the only option, I'd be torn between the 4.8 and a twin turbo 3.0, assuming BMW ever offers the latter on the X5). Remember also, BMW diesels far outsell their gas/petrol counterparts in many countries, so diesel technology is not new for BMW.

Refinerers such as Marathon are expanding their diesel refinery capacity, and while there are no guarantees what gas or diesel prices will be, I think the premiums price for diesel will be justified.

[Craig]

I don't think the diesel will be out until MY 09 for the U.S. That's the last rumor I heard from the dealer...

Craig

[Quicksilver]

And that's all it is is a rumor

[rufusdedog]

Does the diesel require urea like the MB? If so, wouldn't that cost have to be factored?