Just ordered BMW X5 35d

[wch X5]

I think I read that production for 2010 X5's doesn't start until Oct 1. However, my past experience with other BMW's is that your order can be moved up pretty quickly without much notice so if you are sure about changing colors or options, you should do it quickly.

In my case, my M3 moved up 7 weeks without notice. I was pleasantly surprised but there were others who were contemplating color changes who were unhappy when their production status got locked in before they could make changes.

[MINIz guy]

Our $1000 over invoice did not include any other fees, just the car and the options.

Now I feel stupid not making this connection, and not looking more carefully at what LeMansX5 had posted.

Edit: Invoice also included destination... whoops!

[jaaX3]

Doc fees are 100% dealer profit. I would try to negotiate them into the price of the car (i.e. if you got $1k over invoice, make sure that includes doc fees). My dealer charges $399 for their doc fee.
MACO in my area is $300 (it's not the same everywhere you go).
Training is $180.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by jaaX3

I would try to negotiate them into the price of the car (i.e. if you got $1k over invoice, make sure that includes doc fees). Training is $180.

I would agree. The MACO and Training fees are real variable costs to the dealer and considered by most dealers to be part of the invoice price, i.e., the dealer actually pays the MACO and Training amounts to BMW NA for every vehicle they sell, and when they quote "$1,000 over invoice," that typically means the wholesale price you find on the internet plus the $500 of MACO and training fees.

One can debate forever whether or not those MACO and Training fees should be considered part of the invoice price, to which the negotiated "profit" amount will be added, but all that really matters is to get the final "price out the door" quote when finalizing the deal, e.g., if one dealer says "$500 over invoice," but includes the MACO and Training fees as part of the invoice, it's the same as another dealer quoting "$1,000 over invoice," if they do not include the MACO and Training fees as part of the invoice price.

I do believe that if you ask the dealer to pull-out ans show you the invoice from BMW NA after the car arrives, it will show MACO and Training fees added to the "wholesale" price.

[DSE]

My consolation for (finally) getting my price down to a so-so $1875 above invoice was making clear (in writing) that I was not paying any other charges or fees over my final price other than tax, title and license (no training fees, MACO fees, etc.). You can argue with a dealer until you're blue in the face about whether it is appropriate to charge these fees to customers -- even if they are really incurred by the dealer, but ultimately it is about bottom line comparisons, so other dealers who wanted to charge these fees had to offer a significantly lower price if tehye wanted to charge thee fees.

[Craig]

I paid training, but not MACO. I also paid 199.00 doc fee and they gave me all weather mats at no charge.

Craig

[jlforlife]

Everything sucks here for us in Canada. The pricing is outrageous.
I was going to trade my 4.8i for a 35d but i changed based on two factors.
1. It was a demo trsuck with 12000km on it and the dealer wanted me to pay freight, air tax, etc. I got pissed off and told them no.

2. i asked my sales guy why we dont get the option to get a HUD for the 3.5d in Canada. He said thats the way it is.

If BMW Canada doesn't at least try to match BMW USA, i will leave them alone and go for Audi or MB. Not that they care anyways.

[Penguin]

Anyone know for sure when the 2010 production of X5 Diesels will start?

[tim-atl]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Anyone know for sure when the 2010 production of X5 Diesels will start?

Oct 2010

See page 2 - http://www.bimmerfest.com/pdf/pricin...ring-Guide.pdf


Tim

[MINIz guy]

A whole month of waiting before it even starts to be produced!