21 months and 60K miles on 35D. clean diesel is a pain

[motordavid]

A month goes by and BMWNA and the dlr are incommunicado...hmmm. Must be a complicated decision on their part.
Maybe they are connected to our gov't.
Sorry to read you are still having problems...
GL, mD

[texvette]

Wow all can say. Contact a local new station. They use to have consumer alert
features. A paper too. BMW might get a fire under their butt. Especially if the
crews shows up at the dealership.

[Crispy3M]

F1Stix... very well written!!!

I can't wait to hear the outcome.

I was just on here doing some research on a 2009 X5 D and saw this thread.

Yikes

[ard]

Originally Posted by F1Stix

Quick update: BMWna has been silent on this case so far. We have driven about 2500 miles since picking the car up. The mileage is down some from about 23.5 to 21.7 at best. Most of the time it hovers around 21.5.

Pulled the codes on it today and without a service engine soon light we have a code 474C. This seems to be a pressure sensor before the DPF. Not certain on that yet.

The Mode 6 data shows it in the yellow zone for secondary air monitoring system. Basically it just about to set a code of some type soon.

Sorry to hear.

I've written a lot about lemoning and dealing with BMWNA on this stuff, so I will not regurgitate it all here. I beleive I had that specific code. You can search for "lemon" using my user name, the long history was posted. That fault code seems VERY familiar.

I see you're in TX. Bummer. I don't know the details on their lemon nor how your facts may play into their time periods for inital claims, etc.

Mine was lemoned at 23 months. Received 92.5% back.

GL

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[F1Stix]

Quick update:

BMWNA is still silent. The lawsuit was filed mid Sept.

Traveling home tonight and the reduced power flashed up on the idrive. Managed to get home without issue and pulled the codes. POcb and 429A. One is the MAF sensor, it appears and one is the large turbo boost problem. Still searching for the code descriptions and others who may have had this problem with theirs.

Back to the shop again. yippy......

funny thing, as I was driving along to work this morning I thought it was just about time for it to break again. Typically we go 6-8 weeks between major repairs. It didnt disappoint on the way home. LOL

[kungpao]

Holy crap! I genuinely feel bad for you guys! 73,418 on my 09d that I bought as a CPO. Mine threw a CEL for a sensor the day i brought it home and that's been my only problem with it. I put about 80 miles weekdays on mine on my daily commute to and from work and we use it as our around town vehicle as well. Definitely lots of luck to you! You've put up with quite a lot!

[ard]

So, when they settle they will require you to agree not to spill the beans.

When I was working on my lemon I had distributed 'the story' to someone else, so that if I needed to agree not to publicize the issue, someone else was able to post. Turns out they couldnt require my silence, so didnt need that mechanism....


Sorry to hear they are being like this- not surprised though. Once you exhaust the first layer, it gets pretty unfriendly.

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[F1Stix]

A long update. Dont read if depressing information is not your thing.....LOL

Finally settled the suit 9 months after filling. Seemed like a good deal. I kept the car because of high mileage making it worth so much less. It went months without failure too. Until:

1 month ago yet another EGR cooler cracks and fills air filter with soot! 103K on odometer. Called for service and dealer informs us there is a recall. The work is covered because an updated part has been designed. Wait, the updated part was already on the car? I was told it was anyway. Turns out the part was not the new one. The car is repaired quickly and perfectly. The dealer does not replace the air filter even though the car is choking for air. So I bought one. This is the fourth of fifth one I have purchased because when the coolers crack, the filters suck in tons of fine particles of soot. Many get right past the filter too.

Fast forward to last Wednesday. Less than three weeks after the last cooler cracks, the updated part fails, but in a different location. This time the crack is in the flex joint near the exhaust manifold. I drive for 5 miles and the crack turns into a complete separation. Man, it is LOUD! Limp mode. We immediately call dealer for an appointment.

It seems the new bracket on the new design has moved the vibration to another area on the cooler.

We drive it home from work in limp mode and when we arrive home (30 minutes) there is steam pouring out of the hood. I mean a lot. There appears to be about 2 liters of coolant on the driveway after sitting a half hour. I dont understand and open the hood for inspection. I cant tell where the coolant leak is located exactly, but it is near the EGR cooler break. I begin to think the hot gases have burned something like a hose. I spend a few minutes with my scanner connected to see what is going on. The car is not really hot. Only 87 degrees C. It is showing a bad MAF sensor so I removed it and found soot all over the sensor screen from the cracked cooler. The next day, the wrecker arrives for a trip to the dealer!

We tell them the car has a broken EGR cooler and bad MAF sensor. The dealer thinks the EGR cooler is the source of the water leak. This makes some sense to me. They replace it and test drive. The car gets hot enough again to squirt more coolant. The dealer now says it needs a thermostat housing and the MAF is bad. What? I already told you the MAF is coated in soot. It cant read airflow or temps in this condition! Also, my opinion is the hot gas melted the plastic thermostat housing because the car never had a coolant leak unitl the EGR cooler cracked. It is near the area of the cracked cooler. The local BMW rep says they will NOT cover the housing, but will cover half the cost of the MAF.

In the past we have spoken to CS at BMWNa....LOL. Ahh....no thanks. It is literally a waste of time. IME, the broken cooler caused the MAF to get nasty dirty with soot and melted the housing. They think Im a nut job. I plan a trip to visit the dealer and inspect the housing and show them the soot on the MAF. Although have have acknowledged the MAF is soot related.

BMWNa seems to only accept responsibility when suits are filed.

[bawareca]

Sorry to read for your troubles.That goes much beyound the normal headache expected from the new models BMW.It becomes more and more obvious that the accountants and other forms of people that care of the profit only have took over BMW.Mercedes once did that mistake in late 90s.It cost them a lot,but were able to get out of the downward spiral.Their board of directors appointed in '02 or '03 that for a few years they will spend half of their net profit for improving the quality only and only.After th eterrible models of early 2000s the improvement showed in models after '05 or so.One of the problems is that with manufacturers of that caliber it takes a few years of quality problems before the sales start to plummet,but by that time a bad name could be established.If this kind of problems are not identified on time recovery may take a very long time or may never happen.
I just came back from Texas where we were testing a new ECU flash for the X5D and 335D and guess what happened?! A seventh EGR cooler blew on the test car taking out the thermostat housing and the MAF in the process A very long and expensive operation was completely ruined by the dealer not willing to cover some/all of the parts.But they are unobtainable for the next week or so anyway

[blue dragon]

The EGR cooler seems to be a problematic part, I'm on my third one, and while all 3 have been replaced free of charge, my warranty is soon over. This last one is courtesy of the EGR bracket recall.