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08-04-2008, 02:55 PM
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People who are brand loyal take offense to things that they believe are poor moves for a company. do you really expect them to just sit back and support everything bmw puts out? aren't they even more so entitled to an opinion being that they've invested so much money in the company? How do you figure people who do not like the X6 are not "supporting bmw", everytime we drive from our homes we're supporting them by advertising at every inch of the road. I think you're just mad some people don't like the X6 so you assume there's something terribly wrong with them. I think gresch has the best post of supporting both sides.
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08-05-2008, 06:24 AM
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NY Times review, for those who think Nissan shouldn't be considered in the same breath as Bimmer
 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/au...ws/22AUTO.html http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
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08-05-2008, 08:07 AM
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The reasons I don't like Infinity:
Underneath, they are Nissans, which is owned/controlled by Renault. Example: When a car company designs a 'base' model and calls it the Armada, then stuffs the same vehicle full of gizmos, extended leather, puts a new grill and taillights on it, then sells it for $10K more. I think rip-off. I would not pay extra money for an Escalade because a Yukon Denali is the same truck. At least the Cadillac has a unique engine. Can't say that about Infinity. How would you feel if BMW shared a platform between a 3 series and a Fiat? The car might drive, ride and handle great, it may look stunning, it may be a great value, but underneath, a car guy knows what else shares the platform. Designing an inexpensive car (cost is the target) is very different from designing the best. As far as I know, the LS460 has it's own platform, and I admire that. The sad thing is that it shares the engine with the Toyota and Lexus truck line. I'm not saying it's not a great engine. I guess I would be proud to drive a Tundra pickup and know the engine was 95% based on the top of the line Lexus. These are just my opinions, I'm not sure I deserve such harsh personal attacks for sharing. One more reason that my German friends would never consider an Infinity. National pride. We used to call it being patriotic in this country.
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08-05-2008, 10:26 AM
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 ". Not to mention that the 911 is basically a hopped up Beetle!
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08-05-2008, 08:12 AM
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Valid "opinion" but if you're going to post it...there is a chance it will get bashed
The joy/pain of an open forum.Going the IMO road, I wouldn't label a car like that saying one is inferior of competing with the other (for all rational purposes). I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd take my old 350Z over my E46 M3 any day OK...now back on the X6 sucks, excuse me..X6 topics 
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08-07-2008, 08:43 AM
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 Great car but was continually fighting rust issues. They were hot back then as they were on allocation and you actually needed to know someone to get one. Ha!
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08-07-2008, 08:47 AM
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All cars in the pre-Nissan days were rust prone. I remember my dad had a B210 that rusted completely out. Then he was selling it and the day the new buyer came in, the car wouldn't turn off 
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08-05-2008, 08:48 AM
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I get the joy/pain part. I usually enjoy an open discussion, and actually like it when someone opens my eyes to a new way of thinking.
Like the LA article said, the X6 is like expensive, impractical shoes. To those it fits, it's awesome. I just get tired of people saying 'I hate it' over and over. You will never convince the BMW board to change directions when the sales are strong. Before I get flamed for that statement, think worldwide, not just the US. The company is exporting as much as it can due to the exchange rate. SO, if sales show a slower month, then maybe it's due to less cars available for the US market. On purpose. If GM were smart, they would sell (if they could) all Corvettes overseas. Why? A Vette that sells for $50,000 in the US can sell for 50K Euros in Deutschland. Today that's $77,695 back to GM's bank account. Too bad they can't sell all the gas guzzling SUV's to Europeans!
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08-05-2008, 10:52 AM
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Most cars 'share' some components. I agree that the Touareg and Cayenne share underbodies/suspension design etc. They don't share any sheetmetal, and on your turbo example, an engine. Do you feel better in the VW knowing it also underpins the Porsche? Or do you see and feel the family traits when you are driving your Porsche and see a VW? My opinion is that the Porsche should not share the VW chassis. It could be much better with a 'no limits' chassis design instead of fixing up the VW design.
The beetle/911 comparo is not valid (I hope you were joking) They have never shared a single part. BMW and Mercedes don't do this. My opinion is that it hurts the brand image if you do. Would I refuse to buy a car because of it? Probably not. Rogue = EX Murano = FX Armada = QX 350Z = G37 coupe Maxima = G35 sedan The biggest example I can think of is the Lexus ES350. I just cannot get over seeing this car for exactly what it is: An insulation stuffed Camry. I guess I'm not interested in the snob appeal (badge) of a brand, but the driving experience. I also can't see spending extra money for basically the same car. All that being said, I would buy the V8 touareg over the V8 Cayenne. I like the styling better. I would not buy an Fx35 over an X6. Last edited by Viperfreak2; 08-05-2008 at 12:10 PM.
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08-05-2008, 11:09 AM
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Interesting little page: http://www.funtrivia.com/en/World/Volkswagen-14042.html Porsche can't use a VW part? http://www.356registry.org/tech/vwtoporsche.html http://books.google.com/books?id=pax...um=6&ct=result
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