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Old 04-06-2010, 11:20 PM
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Just saw this I can post parts and the pictures in the morning for you, sorry for the late reply. Thanks Brian
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Some Further Adapter Info

The current snap in adapter for the 3Gs is the 682. The 683 adapter is NLA. An interesting fact (generalized statement here) on this is that the iPhone adapters that ended in a 2 were for charge phone only and the adapters that ended in a 3 were for smart phone integration (6NL option usually). The 682 is the replacement for the 683. And when you open it up, the usual 3 wires that went from the PCB to the iPhone dock for charging have been replace with a ribbon cable that contains 15 'wires' coming back to the PCB that connects to the eject box. This would explain why the 682 now supports the smart phone intergration option on the newer models.
Of interest is that there is a smart phone retrofit kit (sorry part number on yellow sticky at work) which appears to replace the console eject box to allow the intergration to the iDrive/CCC/CDC. However BMW will not sell anymore to Canada due to customer dis-satisfaction. It would be interesting to get ahold of one of the kits to see what is contained and what signals are coming from the eject box.
I have not yet had time to trace out the ribbon cable on the 682 to see what pins on the iPhone dock it connects with and what contacts on the PCB/eject box conector it connects. This adapter opens up some interesting possibilities.

Apologise to X5 Meister for not responding to previous questions. Have sorted issues with not receiving alerts from Xoutpost.

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:24 PM
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Are you sure about the 682 / 683 thing, because I don't think so. My understanding is that they are both available (read my posts # 18 and # 19 in this thread) and for different purposes.

See also post # 43 here:
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...on-ever-5.html

In summary though, the -682 is the 3G/3GS adapter for the E53 & E70 while the -683 is the USB 3G/3GS adapter for the E70 made after 10/2008 (2009 model year).

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The current snap in adapter for the 3Gs is the 682. The 683 adapter is NLA. An interesting fact (generalized statement here) on this is that the iPhone adapters that ended in a 2 were for charge phone only and the adapters that ended in a 3 were for smart phone integration (6NL option usually). The 682 is the replacement for the 683. And when you open it up, the usual 3 wires that went from the PCB to the iPhone dock for charging have been replace with a ribbon cable that contains 15 'wires' coming back to the PCB that connects to the eject box. This would explain why the 682 now supports the smart phone intergration option on the newer models.
Of interest is that there is a smart phone retrofit kit (sorry part number on yellow sticky at work) which appears to replace the console eject box to allow the intergration to the iDrive/CCC/CDC. However BMW will not sell anymore to Canada due to customer dis-satisfaction. It would be interesting to get ahold of one of the kits to see what is contained and what signals are coming from the eject box.
I have not yet had time to trace out the ribbon cable on the 682 to see what pins on the iPhone dock it connects with and what contacts on the PCB/eject box conector it connects. This adapter opens up some interesting possibilities.

Apologise to X5 Meister for not responding to previous questions. Have sorted issues with not receiving alerts from Xoutpost.

Craig

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Old 04-12-2010, 10:17 AM
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My understanding is, for the e70:

1. If you have the 6FL (usb/audio interface) and/or the 6NF (smartphone integration) options, you must get a USB adapter to suit your iPhone:

Apple iPhone™ 3G S 84 21 2 158 683
Apple iPhone™ 3G 84 21 2 158 683
Apple iPhone™ 84 10 9 164 213

If you have the 6FL but not the 6NF option, you will not be able to play music through your iPhone, even if you get one of the above adapters.

2. If you have neither 6FL nor 6NF, then you need a non-USB adapter:

Apple iPhone™ 3G S 84 21 2 158 682
Apple iPhone™ 3G 84 21 2 158 682
Apple iPhone™ 84 10 9 182 792

A non-USB adapter only enables bluetooth, charging and connection to car antenna. No music play.
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All I can comment on is that when I tried to order a 683 adapter, the part comes up as No Longer Available in the computer. When I ask what is replaceing the 683 adapter, the reply from BMW was
For the iPhone USB adapter, use the updated p# 84 21 2 158 682 instead of '683. To use 682 the vehicle needs to have the upgraded version of USB kit.
it can be factory ordered or may be retrofitted according to the vehicle.

Perhaps the 683 can still be ordered in the states. The same could go for 84 64 0 307 591, upgrade kit for bluetooth with USB/Audio interface.

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Interesting info. As far as I know both the 682 and 683 are available in the states. The 591 comes up as NLA in the states and is apparently a Europe only kit for the 6 series only (630i, 536d, 645Ci, 650i, M6).

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All I can comment on is that when I tried to order a 683 adapter, the part comes up as No Longer Available in the computer. When I ask what is replaceing the 683 adapter, the reply from BMW was
For the iPhone USB adapter, use the updated p# 84 21 2 158 682 instead of '683. To use 682 the vehicle needs to have the upgraded version of USB kit.
it can be factory ordered or may be retrofitted according to the vehicle.

Perhaps the 683 can still be ordered in the states. The same could go for 84 64 0 307 591, upgrade kit for bluetooth with USB/Audio interface.

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Old 04-12-2010, 11:46 AM
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I would presume that if the US still has stock on the 683 adapter it will be sold out before offering the replacement. Simple economics. Costs wise the 683 was selling for @$243 and the 682 sells for @$130 up north here.
Since all I am looking for is an eject box/base to 'borrow' parts from, the 591 kit was a good candidate. After all there is no 6NF option for an e38. Minor bump in the road of modding.

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Ok, since I can't get my 6FL to work reliably to charge my iPhone 3GS.

I decided to add the snap in adapter.

My e70 has 6FL and blue tooth (BMW assist etc...) but DOES NOT HAVE smart phone integration (obviously).

I talked with Jason at getbmwparts.com by email this morning.
Jason took a look at my VIN and told me all the wiring I need is already in the car. As is the proper center console.

The part numbers he gave are 51169203443 for the Eject box w/support frame.

He gave me a link to the proper adapter for the iPhone 3GS. Sorry I don't have the part number; but none of the numbers listed for the adapter in this thread match any number I've been able to find.

As soon as I get the parts; hopefully next week I'll post the part numbers.

BTW, Jason was a big help and a great resource. I called ever dealer here in San Diego and talked to the parts guys, including two "managers". Each had different part numbers and costs (one gave me a cost of $1,200.00). A couple told me it just couldn't be done.

One email to Jason with my VIN and I got the correct part numbers and, install instructions. Total cost a little more than $300.00 and what looks to be maybe an hour of work in my garage.

The only question I don't have an answer to yet is if my X will need to be reflashed, but I doubt it since I already have BT and 6FL installed.

Anyway, that my .02 so far. I'll post when the parts come in and are installed...
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Old 04-30-2010, 10:50 AM
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Did some research into the bumper antenna question and with some excellent help from big bob here is what I found out.

The two BMW bumper antennas kits 84-51-0-016-669 and 84-11-1-470-326 really have the same antenna in them, which is a Hirschmann MCA 18 90 SF bumper antenna. See link:

Hirschmann Car Communication

This antenna is rated as follows:
AMPS: 824 - 894 MHZ
GSM 900: 880 - 960 MHz
GSM 1800: 1710 - 1880 MHz
GSM 1900: 1850 - 1990 MHz

According to Hirschmann, the two antenna kits have antennas with the same functionaily, the only difference is the plug.

84-11-1-470-326 kit has an antenna with a Fakra Code A plug.
84-51-0-016-669 kit has an antenna with the FME female plug.
By the way, the MCA 18 90 SF antenna also has the FME female plug.

Note that in the 84-51-0-016-669 kit the part number of the actual antenna is 84-51-0-016-668.

Why the 84-11-1-470-326 retails for $67.50 while the 84-51-0-016-669 retails for $220.95 is a complete mystery. (Maybe it's like what they did with the auxiliary input options: http://www.xoutpost.com/electronics/...eferences.html) BMW calls the 84-51-0-016-669 kit "Dualband 900/1800 MHz" which I suppose is technically correct (since it does operate on those frequencies, but not exclusively only those frequencies) and it is listed in the ETK as applicable to Europe and the USA. BMW makes no such statement about the 84-11-1-470-326, strangely enough.

Lastly, just an FYI according to big bob who certainly knows his stuff:

850=GSM850 (USA)
900=GSM900 (EU)
1800=DCS1800(EU)
1900=PCS1900(USA)
AMPS=CDMA (USA)

My guess is that by calling the 84-51-0-016-669 kit "Dualband 900/1800 MHz" BMW is trying to identify this as a part for Europe which jives with the Europe installation instructions (BMW NA installation instructions are not nearly as detailed, organized or well-written).

Here is a link to the BMW installation instructions for the 84-51-0-016-669 which will be applicable to the 84-11-1-470-326 (as there are no separate instructions for the 84-11-1-470-326):
http://www.bmwmotorsports.org/pdf/bl...-%20Aerial.pdf

Those instructions also mention p/n 84-51-0-137-629 which I haven't been able to find any mention of anywhere.

I will also attach Hirschmann's own installation instructions and the pdf fact sheet of the MCA 18 90 SF bumper antenna once I shrink the pdf files (the board's limit has GOT to be increased).

Finally, here is the link to the excellent installation write-up done by Jeff330xi:
http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/all...bluetooth.html

Hope this helps someone.

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These are interesting part numbers and I'm a bit confused.

- The 3G adapter 84-21-2-151-038 I assume is the latest iPhone 3G adapter, and I suppose the 84-10-9-182-792 is the older regular iPhone adapter, is that right? Do you by any chance have a list of all the iPhone adapters that could be made to fit the E53?

- Do you know if the iPhone 3G adapter 84-21-2-151-043 will work in the E53?

- Your console eject box 84-21-6-933-415 comes up as a Euro spec only part for after 1/2003 (prior to that it was 84-21-6-924-067). Any reason why you specify that one and not the one specified for the USA which is 84-21-6-946-063 ?

- The bumper antenna you specified 84-51-0-016-669 which I understand is the entire retrofit kit and retails for $213.95. A number of people have indicated that for the USA all that is needed is the one I mentioned that is 84-11-1-470-326 which retails for $63.75. What do you think?

Here are the BMW parts on the BMW USA website. I'm curious as to your thoughts about the differences.

BMW Accessories - 2006 X5 4.4i SAV:Phone Snap-In Adapters
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