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Old 01-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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argh i think it's just clicked. The Wiring is not specific to the unit, but the car.

SO all TCU units need the pins in the same configuration, and it need to swap the wires in my car about to match the configuration required by the TCU

So my car currently has
Telephone (BM On-Board monitor with Fixed mounting, Siemens (cordless handset) with SES Language-input system up to 2002_3)


And I want to fit a TCU unit so i need to swap the wiring to match the following:
Telematcis control unit (TCU-Everest) (SES Language-input system with TCU Telematic Control Unit without USA_LHD)

Which TCU i get doesn't matter, as long as i have rewired my connect for a TCU moduel correct?
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:29 AM
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argh i think it's just clicked. The Wiring is not specific to the unit, but the car.
Well, thats the same isn't it?

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SO all TCU units need the pins in the same configuration, and it need to swap the wires in my car about to match the configuration required by the TCU
The only difference in TCUs is whether they are ECE or US models.
ECE = Assist over GSM, and optional Bluetooth cordless handset in the car.
US = Assist over CDMA, and no optional Bluetooth cordless handset in the car.
But the wiring (power, ground, ibus, microphone, audio) is identical.

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Which TCU i get doesn't matter, as long as i have rewired my connect for a TCU moduel correct?
As I said earlier: "simply change the BIT-II wiring to the TCU wiring."

Of course, always refer to the right wiring diagram.
Do not read USA diagrams if you have a Non-US market car.

The WDS shows all, very clearly.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:23 AM
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Well, thats the same isn't it?
No - a TCU module in a x5 could have the power on pin 1 and ground on pin 2

a tcu module on an x3 could have ground on pin 1 and power on pin 2

If you are saying the wiring for TCU modules are identical then i understand what i need to do, and as long as i look at ECE diagram in WDS and rewire to match that, i can get any ECE TCU module and plug it straight in.

I'm now looking for one of these (sourced form here http://www.bimmerboard.com/members/p...artNumbers.pdf)

European GSM based TCUs - won't work in US
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Jan-05 84116946991
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Mar-05 84106965055
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Sep-05 84106964113
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Jul-06 84106963758
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Nov-06 84109129850
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Mar-07 84109127894
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM 84116946011
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT RFMD GSM 84106978533
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Jul-06 84106963758
TELEMATICS CONTROL UNIT GSM Nov-06 84109129850
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:39 AM
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No - a TCU module in a x5 could have the power on pin 1 and ground on pin 2

a tcu module on an x3 could have ground on pin 1 and power on pin 2
WDS shows very clearly:

X5 TCU = power term30 pin 17 & pin 18, power termR pin 35, ground pin 36 & 54

X3 TCU = power term30 pin 17 & pin 18, power termR pin 35, ground pin 36 & 54

You may care to note that the WDS contains all the info you need.....
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:47 PM
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Hi

I am hoping to add bluetooth to an E46 that has not got it, nor has the cabling for it, by making up some cabling for power, ibus and audio via a mute box. I have an aftermarket Alpine media station head unit fitted.

I am in possesion of a 2005 TCU +SES module. It has a 54 pin connector. Does anyone know the BMW part number of the barebones connector so I can buy one and make up a loom? Else is a cheap loom with the 54pin connector available? I saw mention of a 25pin to 54pin adaptor, is there a BMW part number for it?

Also is the audio signal on pins 37/38 the caller's voice, and is it an amplified signal or line-level?
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WDS shows very clearly:

X5 TCU = power term30 pin 17 & pin 18, power termR pin 35, ground pin 36 & 54

X3 TCU = power term30 pin 17 & pin 18, power termR pin 35, ground pin 36 & 54

You may care to note that the WDS contains all the info you need.....
Jochen

Please feel free to call me an idiot but i still cant figure out WDS. Hopefully you will see i have tried . . .

I've selected E53, then selected Communication>Telecommunication>Basic Interface Telephone (Bit II) (SES Language-input system with BIT Basis Interface Telephone from 2003_03)

That shows a diagram with component U407

So i look up U407 and get Component and signal information>Components>U)Radio/interferance supression equipment>U407 Basic Interface, telephone>U407 Basic Interface Telephone (Fixed Mounting, siemens (cordless handset) from 2002_03)

But i cant find the pin out list for this.

When i search for the TCU (I01157) it comes up with Components>I_Components of outside manufacturer>I01157 Telematcis Control Unit (TCU_Everest) (without USA_LHD)

and then i can see a table of all the Pin assignments at plug connector X18500

Where can i go from here? The only pin out i can find for BIT2 is X4038

but that doesn't show "Basic Interface Telephone (Fixed Mounting, siemens (cordless handset) from 2002_03)" only "up to 2002_3

So shich plugs should i be comparing? X18500 and X4038 seem so different

X4038 - Siemens Internal (Eject Box) at pins 1,2, 5, 19, 20, 37, 38, 48
X18500 - Telephone, Internal (Eject Box) at pins 3, 5, 6, 32
I can work these back using the wiring diagram for A117 Eject Box, but that only shows the pins for BIT, and not diagram for TCU. BIT has 8, TCU has 4, happy to leave 4 disconnected but without colours for the TCU wires i dont know which wire from the TCU goes to which pins on the eject box

X4038 - Comunication Link TXD RXD and Sheild at 9, 10, 11
X18500 - NO SUCH CONNECTIONS
See attached picture, it doesn't go anywhere? Can i leave it off?

X4038 - Data Cable (Navigation Unit) at pin 28 and 46
X18500 - NO SUCH CONNECTIONS
See attached picture, it doesn't go anywhere? Can i leave it off?

X18500 - Night Light Signal pin 52
X4038 - no such connection
I can get this from the eject box, pin 3 (X4545)

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Old 02-13-2010, 05:32 PM
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So i look up U407 and get Component and signal information>Components>U)Radio/interferance supression equipment>U407 Basic Interface, telephone>U407 Basic Interface Telephone (Fixed Mounting, siemens (cordless handset) from 2002_03)

But i cant find the pin out list for this.
The circuit diagram shows connector numbers, and also shows the connector pins, wire colour, wire size and wire function.
Just click the connector number for a full table.

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When i search for the TCU (I01157) it comes up with Components>I_Components of outside manufacturer>I01157 Telematcis Control Unit (TCU_Everest) (without USA_LHD)

and then i can see a table of all the Pin assignments at plug connector X18500

Where can i go from here? The only pin out i can find for BIT2 is X4038
Thats all the info you need.
You see the wiring and signals of the existing BIT2
You see the wiring and signals of the wanted new TCU

Simply transfer the relevant wires from the old to the new

Of course, some will be no longer required, and you may need to reassign some wires running from phone to the eject box.

But it is pretty straight forward.

Work in this order:
Ground
Ibus
Power
Microphone
Audio Out
Eject Box
SOS switch (if fitted)

That's all you need.
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:13 AM
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Hi Jochen - thanks for taking the time to reply. I've done all the wires i thought i needed, and now it comes up 'Activate Phone' on the nav screen correctly, but i'm unable to get the TCU to go into pairing mode.

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The circuit diagram shows connector numbers, and also shows the connector pins, wire colour, wire size and wire function.
Just click the connector number for a full table.
Not for me it doesn't! When i look at the TCU wiring diagram it doesn't give me wire colours. So i have no idea how to give the TCU the 4 wires from the eject box it needs, when the BIT2 had EIGHT wires.

(see diagrams below)

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Thats all the info you need.
You see the wiring and signals of the existing BIT2
You see the wiring and signals of the wanted new TCU

Simply transfer the relevant wires from the old to the new
Its only simple if you know how to do it.

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Of course, some will be no longer required, and you may need to reassign some wires running from phone to the eject box.

But it is pretty straight forward.

Work in this order:
Ground
Ibus
Power
Microphone
Audio Out
Eject Box
SOS switch (if fitted)

That's all you need.
Ground - done
Ibus - done
Power - done
Microphone - done
Audio Out - done
Eject Box - NOT DONE/CANT DO


Why do i need to connect the eject box anyway? I want to use bluetooth, i have no interest in pluggin in my phone?
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